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> > > "Laurie" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "rick etter" > wrote in message
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> > > >
> > > > > > Knock off the bullshit. B12 is available in grasses that are grown
> in
> > > > > > a manured environment. That means WHEAT you idiot. It was proven
> to
> > > > > > the government of Canada by a researcher. Also B12 was originally
> > > > > > discovered in Canada in wheat, which just happens to be a grass.
> > > > > ==========================
> > > > re> And you have provided your evedence where? When? that's right,
> never!
> > > > re> What a fool.
> > >
> > > I notice you had to snip, wihout annotation, the references I gave to
> > > support my contention that plants are not reliable sources of B12. Why
> did
> > > you do that, lying-larry? Dishonesty, or just plain stupidity? Here,
> I'll
> > > add it back for you, killer:
> > >
> > > ========================
> > > here's a veg site that will tell you different fool.
> > > http://www.ivu.org/congress/2002/texts/b12.html
> > >
> > > "...Vegan sources of B12
> > > Claimed sources include:
> > >
> > > a.. Tempeh (no effect)
> > > b.. Nori (adverse effect if dried; neutral effect if raw)
> > > c.. Spirulina (probable adverse effect)
> > > d.. Klamath lake algae (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > e.. Barley or wheat grass (no demonstrated or likely effect)
> > > f.. Gut bacteria (no effect)
> > > g.. Organic vegetables (no or minimal effect)
> > > h.. Mushrooms (no or minimal effect)
> > > i.. Dirt (little effect)
> > > j.. Warm washed carrots (not a chance)
> > > k.. Raw vs cooked food (no effect)
> > > Practical sources include;
> > >
> > > a.. Fortified foods
> > > b.. Supplements ..."
> > > as an added bonus on this site there is this little tidbit of info:
> > > "...Overall outcome: lacto-vegetarians, fish-eaters and occasional
> > > meat-eaters can expect to live about two years longer than vegans. ..."
> > >
> > > And remember, this was from a veg site, killer. What a hoot!!!
> > > =======================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Evedence? [sic] Maybe you should learn how to spell before making
> > > > idiotic claims in public?? Who, indeed, is the fool?
> > > ================
> > > I see, as usual, you have nothing, so you have to resort to on-line
> spell
> > > checker status...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Here is evidence of B-12 IN plant material.
> > > ==============
> > > Again, not in quantities that will make a difference in your diet.
> > >
> > > > =====
> > > >
> > > > Mozafar, A.
> > > > Enrichment of some B-vitamins in plants with application of organic
> > > > fertilizers.
> > > > Plant and Soil 167:305-311, 1994.
> > > > Organic food suppliers often claim that organic foods grown on soils
> with
> > > > natural fertilizers have a better nutritional value than foods grown
> with
> > > > inorganic fertilizers. Although past studies, such as those published
> by
> > > > Gray and Daniel in 1959 or by Leclerc and colleagues in 1991, have
> shown
> > > > that organically grown produce had more vitamins, it was unclear if
> the
> > > > plants synthesized them or got them from the soil. In order to test
> the
> > > > origins of vitamins in plants, this researcher selected vitamin B12
> for
> > > > study. This was because plants cannot manufacture it but
> microorganisms
> can.
> > > > In addition, large amounts of B12 are found in animal manure, a
> commonly
> > > > used organic fertilizer. This study looked at whether plants,
> specifically
> > > > soybeans, barley, and spinach, grown on soils amended with pure B12 or
> B12
> > > > in manure would have a higher B12 content than plants grown with
> inorganic
> > > > fertilizers. All plants contained a minimal amount of B12 in the
> > > > inorganically fertilized soil. Barley showed a threefold increase of
> B12
> in
> > > > the harvested grain in both the pure B12 treatment (10.8 ng/g dry
> weight)
> > > > and the manure treatment (9.1 ng/g dry weight). In spinach leaves, B12
> > > > increased twofold in the manure treatment (17.8 ng/g dry weight) and
> 34-fold
> > > > in the pure B12 treatment (235 ng/g dry weight). Soybeans had a
> similar,
> but
> > > > not as dramatic trend. In addition, soil samples in fields receiving
> manure
> > > > over several years contained more B12 than those only receiving
> inorganic
> > > > fertilizers. These results show that B12 levels can be increased in
> > > > organically grown food through the use of manure fertilizers. This is
> good
> > > > news for vegetarians, who often have trouble getting enough B12 in
> their
> > > > diets. It is also good news for consumers who buy organic food because
> of
> > > > its better nutritional value. While this preliminary trial does seem
> to
> > > > indicate that vitamins can be absorbed from the soil, more studies
> should
> be
> > > > done with other vitamins to confirm these observations.
> > > >
> > > > =====
> > > LOL What a hoot. Again, there is no reliable source of b12 from
> plants.
> > > Now, if you want to eat several pounds of spinach a day, every day, be
> my
> > > quest. Most people, even the loons like you prefer more variety.(hence
> the
> > > vast import food production you pay for)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So, the whole veg*n/B-12 issue is caused by TOXIC CHEMICAL
> AGRICULTURE
> > > > which kills the microorganisms in the soil that produce the B-12 that
> > > > normally would be absorbed into the plants. The simple and
> inexpensive
> > > > solution would be supplements, and given the horrifically-poor quality
> of
> > > > commercial produce a vigorous supplementation program should be
> seriously
> > > > considered by anyone who eats.]
> > > ==================
> > > And again, the supplements are not 'vegan' by definition. Animals die
> to
> > > manufacture, package, and transport those little pills to your plate,
> > > killer.
> > >
> > > Here's another little gem for you, lying-larry...
> > > "...more than 23 cups of organically grown spinach would have to be
> eaten
> > > every day in order to meet the adult RDA for vitamin B12..."
> > > http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm
> > >
> > > Again, this is a veg site, stupid. Not something like your money scam
> > > parade of idiocy...
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *ANYBODY* including the animal food industry can put up a "veg" site
> stupid pEtter.
> >
> ========================
> You ignorant fool. Why not read the site first, before diplaying your
> stupidity to the world. ooops, too late....



I suppose you are going to pretend that the only source of Vitamin D
is through fortified "food"?


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