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Default native americans and vegetarianism

John Coleman wrote:
>>If you die, can we assume that you died of your
>>"ignorance of how to heal and live healthily"?

>
> If I died of a preventable illness yes.


Cholera is preventable. So is salmonella and E coli. All three with great
frequency infect those who eat raw produce.

>>Anecdotal evidence, not from a scientific study utilizing controls.

>
> sometimes "anecdotes" are right


But they are *not* science.

>>Ehret's writings touch on metaphysics, not science. And as someone has

> already
>>kindly pointed out, he was a racist.

>
> Even some scientists are racists, so what.


Ehret was not a scientist. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about the fact
that Ehret's works touched on metaphysics rather than science. His racism,
though, did permeate his metaphysical views which you've adopted as "science."

>>BTW, what was his educational background
>>and of what academic pursuit was he professor?

>
> Do you actually imagine that only people with PhDs discover anything useful?
> Some of the best discoveries of man did not come from academics.


That isn't the issue. I just want everyone who reads our little exchanges to
understand whom Arnold Ehret was and what he taught. Answer my question.

>>You do not comprehend the scientific method. If you did, you would not

> have
>>named Ehret as a source.

>
> His simple "method"


Was not scientific.

> discovered a fact


No, it's not a fact.

> that anyone can validate for
> themselves.


Ipse dixit.

>>What makes B12 from meat or dairy less healthy or desirable than from

> eating a
>>pile of bullshit, as you seem wont to do?

>
> cholesterol,


Serum cholesterol is overwhelmingly a factor of endogenous factors, not diet.
Some dietary cholesterol, such as that from cold water fish, is healthful and
helps reduce LDL.

> saturated fats,


Not all meat is high in saturated fats. What is wrong with getting B12 from lean
meats?

> trans fats,


Not found in meat or dairy, dumb ass. Transfats are found in hydrogenated
VEGETABLE oils. You ****ing DOPE.

> heme iron,


More easily absorbed than non-heme.
Dietary factors that can reduce non-heme iron absorption
include phytates (found in grains, legumes, and rice); soy
protein and soy fiber; oxalates (found in spinach); and tannic
acid (found in teas and coffee). Calcium (found in dairy
products) can reduce the absorption of both non-heme and heme
iron (1).
http://nutrition.ucdavis.edu/InfoSheets/iron.htm

And before you make claims about vitamin C and non-heme absorption:

Effect of ascorbic acid intake on nonheme-iron absorption from a
complete diet....

CONCLUSIONS: The facilitating effect of vitamin C on iron
absorption from a complete diet is far less pronounced than that
from single meals. These findings may explain why several prior
studies did not show a significant effect on iron status of
prolonged supplementation with vitamin C.
http://tinyurl.com/wwpr

What benefits absorption of non-heme? Try meat. In one study, non-heme iron was
absorbed more easily in the presence of heme iron from meat. The study showed
that just eating 50 or 75 grams (about an eighth of a pound) of pork increased
nonheme absorption by 44% to 57% (respectively on 50g and 75g trials).

http://tinyurl.com/x8b2


> BSE,


Very rare, and even more rare when one doesn't eat mince or other ground products.

> hyterocyclic amines,


Heterocyclic, you moron. And you still have no clue about HCAs. You throw the
phrase around as a catch-all, when the issue is quite minor.

> numerous epidemiological studies etc..


Oh, perhaps you should consider the epidemiological data about raw,
unpasteurized produce and juices. Those make more people sick each year than
meat and dairy do.

> and it stinks


Fresh meat does not stink.

> and nausiates me


Psychosomatic (heavy emphasis on PSYCHO).