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Default natural predators & a natural life is cruel? "Yes" - according to usual suspect


"ipse dixit" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:11:07 GMT, "Rubystars" >

wrote:
>
> >"ipse dixit" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> Here are "usual suspect's" quotes that Jonathan desperately
> >> wants the reader to forget about (below).
> >>
> >> [start Mmhsb]
> >> > natural predators & a natural life is cruel?
> >> [usual suspect]
> >> Yes. Watch the Discovery Channel sometime.
> >> usual suspect http://tinyurl.com/2c9ac
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> "Ever seen what happens to various ruminants as they're
> >> stalked and hunted by large cats? Slaughterhouses may
> >> be messy, but they're not cruel."
> >> Usual Suspect http://tinyurl.com/yu6eq
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> "Suffering results for all animals whether they're
> >> eaten by humans or other animals. Indeed, many
> >> other predators are less humane than humans."
> >> usual suspect http://tinyurl.com/2ba7f
> >>
> >> It's clear from those quotes that "usual suspect" believes
> >> natural predation is cruel while human predation isn't, but
> >> both he and Jonathan Ball are doing their level best between
> >> themselves to stop the readers on these animal related
> >> groups getting to read them.
> >>
> >> They have lied, edited my posts, changed the newsgroup
> >> titles to make replying to them awkward, and just about
> >> anything they can think of. What a pair of liars, eh?

> >
> >
> >I agree that when natural predation happens, the animal isn't being
> >consciously cruel, but the animal who is killed does suffer, and that

fact
> >can't be diminished. There's no moral significance to this because the
> >predator isnt making any kind of "decision" to do this, just following
> >instincts.

>
> Yes, but my point here is that "usual suspect" has openly
> lied by trying to wriggle away from his quotes which say
> he finds natural predation cruel. Most normal-thinking
> people already know that natural predation isn't cruel, but
> "usual suspect" made the mistake in claiming it is to head
> off any criticisms from those who object to human predation.


I think the point is that the suffering experienced from natural predation
is often greater than the suffering experienced from humane slaughter
methods.

-Rubystars