Benfez wrote:

> Strooth Jahnu, I know they brainwash folks at Krishna concentration camps,
> but they've really done a number on you.
> Did you forget about all the peace and love, my sweet lord and all that
> garbage. Go back to your books instead of spouting your hate and
> intollerance.

Exactly. So-called "ethical" vegetarians are ALWAYS
full of this kind of irrational hatred. You ALWAYS
find that when you find people like them for whom
morality is based on a comparison with others, rather
than just doing what is right.

>
> "Jahnu" > wrote in message
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>
>>On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 20:09:43 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jahnu wrote:
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>>>>Constitution? You forget I am from Europe. I couldn't care less about
>>>>your constitution.
>>>
>>>Irrelevant, and truly a stupid, ****witted dodge. The
>>>point is that stupid irrational "vegans" want to
>>>overthrow the legitimate, lawful, constitutional
>>>governments wherever they are, in order to impose their
>>>benighted values on others.
>>
>>Not me. I just hate atheist meat-heads.
>>
>>
>>>>Anyone who supports the mass slaughter of animals in the modern
>>>>consumer culture must be completely devoid of any empathy towards
>>>>other living entities.
>>>
>>>False. Repeating it, and using more words to do so,
>>>will not make it true. Your claim is false.
>>
>>According to who?
>>
>>
>>>No, you are not stating facts. You are venting your
>>>spleen; nothing more.
>>
>>I am merely stating facts, that's all. And they don't become less
>>facts by you denying it.
>>
>>
>>>Yes, it is. It is a rational observation of you and
>>>your social milieu.
>>
>>hahaha, says someone who grew up in a Mickey Mouse culture and elected
>>a retard for president.
>>
>>Once again, just to hammer home the point:
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>>
>>
>>HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT WITH A MEAT EATER
>>
>>The New York Times, Tuesday, June 20, 1989
>>
>>
>>
>>The Hunger Argument
>>
>>Number of people worldwide who will die of starvation this year: 60
>>million.
>>
>>Number of people who could be adequately fed with the grain saved if
>>Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 perc.: 60 million
>>
>>Human beings in America: 243 million
>>
>>Number of people who could be fed with grain and soybeans now eaten by
>>U.S. livestock: 1.3 billion
>>
>>Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by people: 20
>>
>>Percentage of corn grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 80
>>
>>Percentage of oats grown in the U.S. eaten by livestock: 95
>>
>>Percentage of protein waste by cycling grain through livestock: 99
>>
>>How frequently a child starves to death: every 2 seconds
>>
>>Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on an ac 20.OOO
>>
>>Pounds of beef produced on an ac 165
>>
>>Percentage of U.S. farmland devoted to beef production: 56
>>
>>Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce a pound of beef: 16
>>
>>
>>
>>The Environmental Argument
>>
>>Cause of global warming: greenhouse effect
>>
>>Primary cause of greenhouse effect: carbon dioxide emissions from
>>fossil fuels.
>>
>>Fossil fuels needed to produce a meat-centered diet vs. a meat-free
>>diet: 50 times more
>>
>>Percentage of U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75
>>
>>Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly related to livestock raising:
>>85
>>
>>Number of acres of U.S. forest cleared for cropland to produce
>>meat-centered diet: 260 million
>>
>>Amount of meat U.S. imports annually from Costa Rica, El Salvador,
>>Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: 200 million pounds
>>
>>Average per capita meat consumption in Costa Rica, El Salvador,
>>Guatemala, Honduras and Panama: less than eaten by average U.S.
>>housecat.
>>
>>Area of tropical rainforest consumed in every 1/4 pound hamburger: 55
>>sq.ft.
>>
>>Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical
>>rainforests for meat grazing and other uses: 1.000 per year
>>
>>
>>
>>The Cancer Argument
>>
>>Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat 4 times a week
>>vs. less than once a week: 4 times
>>
>>For women who eat eggs daily vs. less than once a week: 3 times
>>
>>Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or
>>more times a week vs. less than once a week: 3 times
>>
>>Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who eat meat daily vs.
>>sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times
>>
>>
>>
>>The Natural Resources Argument
>>
>>Use of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the U.S.:
>>livestock portion.
>>
>>Amount of water used in production of the average steer: sufficient to
>>float a destroyer.
>>
>>Gallons to produce a pound of wheat: 25
>>
>>Gallons to produce a pound of meat: 2.500
>>
>>Cost of common hamburger if water used by meat industry was not
>>subsidized by the U.S. taxpayer: 35 dollars a pound
>>
>>Current cost of pound of protein from beefsteak, if water was no
>>longer subsidized: 89 dollars
>>
>>Years the world's known oil reserves would last if every human ate a
>>meat-centered diet: 13
>>
>>Years they would last if human beings no longer ate meat: 260
>>
>>Barrels of oil imported into U.S. daily: 6.8 million
>>
>>Percentage of fossil fuel returned as food energy by most efficient
>>factory farming of meat: 34.5
>>
>>Percentage returned from least efficient plant food: 32.8
>>
>>Percentage of raw materials consumed by U.S. to produce present
>>meat-centered diet: 33
>>
>>
>>
>>The Cholesterol Argument
>>
>>Number of U.S. medical schools: 125
>>
>>Number requiring a course in nutrition: 30
>>
>>Nutrition training received by average U.S. physician during four
>>years in medical school: 25 hours
>>
>>Most common cause of death in U.S.: heart attack
>>
>>How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: every 45 seconds
>>
>>Average U.S. man's risk of death from heart attack: 50 perc.
>>
>>Risk for average U.S. man who avoids the meat-centered diet: 15 perc.
>>
>>Meat industry claims you should not be concerned about your blood
>>cholesterol if it is: normal
>>
>>Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if your
>>blood cholesterol is ?normal?: over 50 perc.
>>
>>
>>
>>The Antibiotic Argument
>>
>>Percentage of U.S. antibiotics fed to livestock: 55
>>
>>Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in
>>1960: 13
>>
>>Percentage resistant in 1988: 91
>>
>>Response of European Economic Community to routine feeding of
>>antibiotics to livestock: ban
>>
>>Response of U.S. meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding
>>of antibiotics to livestock: full and complete support
>>
>>
>>The Pesticide Argument
>>
>>Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains:
>>1
>>
>>Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits:
>>4
>>
>>Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet suppl. by dairy
>>products: 23
>>
>>Percentage of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55
>>
>>Pesticide contamination of breast milk from meat-eating mothers vs.
>>non meat-eating: 35 times higher
>>
>>What USDA tells us: meat is inspected
>>
>>Percentage of slaughtered animals inspected for residues of toxin
>>chemicals including dioxin and DDT: less than 0.00004
>>
>>
>>
>>The Ethical Argument
>>
>>Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500.000
>>
>>Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: slaughterhouse worker
>>
>>Occupation with highest rate of on-the-job injury in
>>U.S:slaughterhouse worker
>>
>>Cost to render animal unconscious with captive bolt pistol before
>>slaughter.: 1 cent
>>
>>Reason given by meat industry for non using that pistol: too expensive
>>
>>
>>
>>The Survival Argument
>>
>>Athlete to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time
>>winner) Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
>>
>>Largest meat eater than ever lived: Tyrannosaurus Rex
>>
>>Last sighting of Tyrannosaurus Rex: 100.000.000 B.C.
>>
>>
>>Famous pop stars - vegetarians:
>>-------------------------------
>>Candice Bergen, David Bowie, Paul Mc Cartney, Darryl Hannah, Janet
>>Jackson, k.d.lang, Sting
>>
>>'I am a great eater of beef, and I believe that does harm to my wit.'
>>--William Shakespeare "Twelfth Night," Act I, Scene 3
>>
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