"googlesux" > wrote in message
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> "rick etter" > wrote in message
>...
>
> > LOL Then what is it when *you* vegans claim to kill none/fewer/less?
You
> > really are just too stupid, aren't you killer?
> > Besides, it's probably far closer to 1000 animals die to feed the one
vegan
> > a meal.
>
> So if someone's meal is:
>
> 1 potato
> 1 head of broccoli
> 1 apple
> 2 carrots
>
> then close to 1000 animals have dies *just to produce those items*?
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It's as close a guess as yours stupid. See the point yet? You haven't done
*any* research to determine what your count is!
As long as it's *any*, you claims of moral superiority are shot!


> (Not the rest of the apples on the tree, not the entire field of
> potatoes, etc.) You can't use the number of animals killed to produce
> the entire potato field, the entire apple tree or orchard, etc.,
> because then it would be whatever number f animals x something like
> 5000 potatoes, etc. which is innacurate. Know what I mean?
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No. Because you don't know what you mean. You've done zip to find out what
you impact is.
You just spew the party line without a bit of thought behind it.


>
>
> > . But he forgets what is fed to much lifestock,
> > ========================
> > Grass. Ever heard of it you ignorant dolt? Stuff that just grows all
over.
> > No planting, spraying, seeding, harvesting. Well, there is harvesting
> > really, the cows do it for us though. Amazing stuff really. Inedible
to
> > you and I, but perfect food for a cow.
>
> An honest question here -- is it really possible to buy beef that's
> entirely or mostly grass fed?
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Yes. Entirely on grass, very much so. The second part of your question
indicates the lack of knowledge
that most vegans have on the subject at the start. Almost all beef cows
are grass fed for most of their lives.
The grain fed comes in at finishing lots for only about the last 30-60 days.
Do a google on "grass fed beef"
you'll get over 90000 hits. All of those of course won't be sales, but very
many are. It's a fast growing segment
of the market. I would think, since you claim to be on the outshirts of
Houston, that there
would be any number of places. Try he
http://www.eatwild.com/products/texas.html
Unlike going vegan, this actually provides producers with an alternative
in their production methods. Methods that vegans claim they don't like.
If, in some fantasy
world you managed to get enough people to go veggie, and meat sales did slow
down noticably,
you wouldn't just put meat producers right out of business. First thing
they'd do, like all business
is to try more production with the same facilities. Meaning they would then
run even more animals
through a facility that vegans claim are already too crowded. You would
therefore be supporting
even more of the inhumane treatment they claim happens now.



I really don't know, but would be
> interested to know if it's available. I had understood that beef was
> always grain fed (or worse), but maybe not.
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No, it is not, and always was not. Grain finishing in the lagre numbers
that happens now is a realtivly new technique.
Designed to keep crop farmers in business. In the 30-40s when tractor power
enable more crops, barley was used partly as food for cattle.
In the 50s, corn became alarge crop for grain feeding cattle, and in the
50-70s the large feedlot operations went full swing. This is
relatively a very short time.

It is also much healtier. Check healthy food along with the grass fed beef
search.
Grass fed beef rivals fish as a source of omega3 fats. And has very little
omega6s.
It's the diet that cattle were made for.