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> Let's not forget that veg*ns contribute to animal deaths in *most* of
> the same ways that everyone else does--their diet only being one of
> those ways. All they try to avoid are the deaths of animals who wouldn't
> have had any life at all if it were not for meat consumers, though they
> still contribute to their deaths by using *many* products which contain
> animal by-products. Considering things like that shows that veg*nism
> doesn't do anything to help any animals.

You know, you save a lot of lives by driving carefully, but chances
are you occasionally run over a squirrel, a frog, or such. So you
might as well just mow down as many pedestrians as you can -- what's
the use?