On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 00:02:00 -0800, Rudy Canoza
> wrote:

>Curtain Cider wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 07:09:59 -0000, "Jim Webster"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> "Buxqi" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Mar 3, 3:53 pm, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>> The "vegan" pseudo-argument on "inefficiency" is that
>>>> the resources used to produce a given amount of meat
>>>> could produce a much greater amount of vegetable food
>>>> for direct human consumption, due to the loss of energy
>>>> that results from feeding grain and other feeds to
>>>> livestock.
>>> Yes. A vegan diet will generally have a smaller ecological
>>> footprint than a meat based one.
>>>
>>> but this is irrelevent if the person eating the diet has a huge ecological
>>> footprint because they fly regularly or drive a big car
>>>
>>> You have to look at the overal efficiency of the person, not merely one
>>> aspect of their lives
>>>
>>> Jim Webster
>>
>> That's a stupid answer, you need do no such thing. Quite a silly one
>> too given your position within the CLA, no doubt that would be the
>> party line and if that's the best they can come up with then they are
>> really struggling.
>>
>> The discussion is about getting rid of the hugely damaging livestock
>> industry and swapping over to the much more efficient
>
>Not so. You, too, misuse "efficient". You just don't
>know the correct meaning of the word.

The meaning is clear and simple, apparently not to you though!

>> and planet
>> friendly vegetarian diet. What car or other habits people have is
>> irrelevant, although veggies will also usually be very conscientious
>> in other areas of their lives.
>
>No, they're not. What an absurd claim.

Fact. Most of us veggies care enough about sentient beings not to eat
or abuse them. Only an ignoramus would eat meat without a thought for
the consequence.

<snip Neanderthal grunts from the village idiot>

>> Go veggie and we
>> instantly drop to around half the production levels with huge capacity
>> in reserve.
>
>And people don't get what they want.

Getting what we want is what has placed the planet in dire straights.
It's now time to start think about needs rather *I want* *I want*. Man
has abused the system he has been given and that must change.

>> The maths are very simple.
>
>Except they're based on fundamental misapprehension of
>basic concepts. People want individual foods,
>according to their preferences; they do not want
>undifferentiated calories.

People will get what they are given. The simple fact is there is no
need whatsoever for a meat diet, that is based on personal preference.
When that preference is damaging the planet and ourselves we need to
do something about it. Staples like fruit and veg we must have.