"Dutch" > wrote in message
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> "LordSnooty" > wrote
> > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:14:06 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:
> >
> > >"LordSnooty" > wrote
> > >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 15:36:02 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> > >> > wrote:
> > >
> > >[..]
> > >
> > >> >On the other hand, so-called "ethical vegetarianism" is
> > >> >fundamentally hypocritical. The reason is that animals
> > >> >are killed gruesomely and in large numbers in the
> > >> >course of growing, storing and distributing vegetables,
> > >>
> > >> That's because it's a lie. You are deliberately confusing the odd
> > >> accident,
> > >
> > >Grain fields are routinely soaked with Roundup to supress weeds. Try
> > >ingesting 1/1000 your bodyweight in Roundup.
> >
> > That is why I regularly campaign against Monsanto and lazy farmers who
> > use the poison, and I buy organic, as well as grow your own. It's the
> > only way to go
>
> Organic farmers still use chemicals, they just use less of them.
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Some organic pesticides are very short-lived. great for residueless crops,
but some need to be sprayed more than once per growing season because of
that.
That spraying is still mechanized and fueled by the petro-chemical industry.


Very, very
> few vegans grow their own, and they still believe their diets are
> death-free.
>
> > So it looks like it may be the veggies in your meat and two veg diet,
> > that are causing the suffering after all.
>
> No, EVERYTHING does.
>
> > >> with the deliberate slaughter of animals to produce food.
> > >
> > >What's accidental about using Roundup?
> >
> > Nothing. It is a wanton act of abuse, not only on wildlife but on
> > humans too.
>
> Those "wanton acts of abuse" live in the history of virtually every
vegan's
> diet.
>
> > >> It
> > >> simply doesn't happen in vegetable production, whereas in meat
> > >> production there is no dispute.
> > >
> > >There's no dispute that animal populations have been and and are still
> being
> > >decimated by herbicides and pesicides, these are not accidents.
> >
> > Not in my diet.
>
> Bullshit.
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Isn't denial just a wonderful thing to watch?


>
> > >You're in denial.
> >
> > You are struggling to find a desperate shred of credibility for your
> > nonsense argument.
>
> I don't have to struggle at all, the truth is very easy to support.
>
>
>