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Default Facts we should *not* consider.


"Cash Cow" > wrote in message
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> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:12:49 -0400, LordSnooty >

wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:54:11 GMT, Jonathan Ball
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>brad beattie wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>----- Message Text -----
> >>>>|But you don't only eat carrots. You eat rice and
> >>>>|cereal grains and all kinds of thing whose production
> >>>>|and distribution causes the death of animals. You
> >>>>|simply don't eat the animals that are killed. They are
> >>>>|just as dead, irrespective of if you eat them.
> >>>>
> >>>>The processes that result in carrots and rice and so forth for us to
> >>>>consume is not, by its nature, dependant upon the death of animals.
> >>>
> >>>Irrelevant. Animals die, and you buy the stuff whose
> >>>production and distribution caused the death.
> >>
> >>This is fallacy of the kind usually supported by your less intelligent
> >>friends like Clutch Wetter.

> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Facts that veg*ns want to disregard:
> >
> > 6. Veg*ns contribute to most of the same animal deaths that everyone
> > else does by their use of wood, paper, roads, buildings,

electricity,
> > things that contain animal by-products, and the veggies they eat.

>
> Okay so far...
>
> > 7. Some types of meat involve fewer animal deaths than some types of
> > veggies.

>
> Oooooh! You stumbled badly, ****wit.

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None is fewer isn't it? what part then is wrong? saying *some* meats
involve less death than *some* veggies is correct. Some meat requires only
1 death. What's fewer than 1?


>
> SOME vegetables and fruit involve no death whatever,
> and a person could fairly easily grow and eat only
> these vegetables and fruits.

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Not and maintain the western, convenience oriented lifestyle they are living
now. Besides, if a *real* vegan would go to all that trouble, they wouldn't
be here on usenet either. But then, there are no *real* vegans here on
usenet, right?




Not so with meat, unless
> a person is going to eat nothing but roadkill.

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Some people do. The fact remains that no one involved here on usenet,
living a western lifestyle is growing anywhere near all the veggies they
need to live on. their lifestyles won't allow it. And, if they manage a
portion of their needs, they'd be better off, animal death and suffering
wise, to then replace the needed calories with certain meats. It is quite
easy to make that 'difference' by eating grass-fed beef and game. No change
in a consumer lifestyle is required at all.


>
> > 8. Some types of meat involve less animal suffering than some types of
> > veggies.

>
>
>
> The fact that ****wit wants to disregard: we all see
> through your lamebrained, ****witted trick to try to
> "promote life" for farm animals irrespective of the
> quality of life.
>
>