frlpwr wrote:
> Jonathan Ball wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>>Beef cattle are not slaughtered in farm country. Stop
>>lying.
>
>
> The Big Four meat-packers, (ConAgra, IBP, Excel, National Beef),
> slaughter 84% of American cattle. Their plants are concentrated in the
> non-union _farm_ states of Nebraska, Kansas, Texas, Colorado and Iowa.

The plants are in cities, not in "farm country".

>
> (snip)
>
>
>>>your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
>>>crop that kills more animals than meat?
>>
>>Fields are disced, killing animals.
>
>
> Conservation minded farmers use low-till or no-till systems.

Most farmers, including the ones who supply most of the
food you eat, do not practice that.

> Anyone concerned about wildlife and the environment should be careful to
> purchase products from farmers using sound conservation practices. Even
> the USDA recognizes the all-around benefits of conservation farming and
> offers economic incentives to farmers who go easy on the land and the
> animals living on it.
>
>
>>and when the crops are harvested,
>>heavy machinery again drives through the fields,
>
>
> Don't you ever get off the freeway, Ball? A good portion of
> California's fruits and vegetables are hand-harvested.

High-value things like strawberries and asparagus,
sure. Rice, on the other hand, is lethal. What are
the relative shares of strawberries, asparagus and rice
in the typical "vegan" diet, skank?

> You've heard of
> farm-workers, haven't you? This means the total ground surface damage
> (and alleged squashing of field animals) from heavy machinery in the
> fields can be measured in tire tracks of the trucks hauling the produce
> out of the field.
>
> I can see field mice scampering from my footsteps as I climb the slopes
> of San Bruno Mountain. I step lightly on a 112 lb. frame. Do you think
> field animals are going to sit still and wait for a loud, smoking,
> vibrating machine to rumble over them?
>
> You hate animals and know nothing about them.
>
> (snip)
>
>>If "vegans" believe they are making a legitimate
>>ethical choice by not eating meat and other animal
>>products in order not to cause animal suffering, their
>>lifestyle IS wrong and bogus and based on a logical
>>fallacy.
>
>
> Strawman.

Nope. They commit the fallacy of Denying the
Antecedent, as well as the vilest sort of hypocrisy.

> Vegans believe by not eating meat and purchasing other animal
> products they are not contributing to the suffering of _farmed animals_
> and they're not.

Irrelevant, and you know it, conformist bitch.

"vegans" have no principle that justifies worrying
about animals they might eat, and not worrying about
those killed in the course of producing their food.

>
> For the record, because I purchase enormous quantities of slaughterhouse
> waste in the form of catfood, I am, technically, not a vegan. How does
> this CONFORM to your vision of me as a vegan CONFORMIST?

Your massive conformism isn't about some single
isolated exception. It has to do with your overall
conformist-to-unconvential lifestyle. You have an
excruciatingly self conscious view of what it is to be
"unconventional", and you rigidly and self consciously
conform to it. You are the conformist, not I. This is
beyond dispute.