Whatever dude. You can call Robbins a propgandist all you want. Photos
don't lie. Have fun eating meat.



Jonathan Ball wrote:
>
> Gary Beckwith wrote:
>
> > i have no responsibility to prove anything to you.
>
> You have an intellectual responsibility to support your
> claims. That you don't even attempt to support them,
> particularly after shrilly demanding that others
> support theirs, indicates not just the intellectual
> bankruptcy of your position, but a massive character
> flaw as well.
>
> The massive character flaw, of course, was already in
> evidence, when you LIED about your basis for knowing
> about cattle slaughter and dairy farm operations. The
> flaw is revealed as even deeper than expected, when you
> top-post and refuse to address the fact that you LIED.
>
> > you are obviously closed minded anyway.
>
> Non sequitur, and not based on either logic or
> observation. You merely don't like that I disagree
> with you.
>
> > to say it is worthless propoganda shows your
> > point of view already.
>
> Robbins is a polemicist and propagandist, not a scientist.
>
> > why should I waste my time. the truth is, it is
> > NOT worthless propaganda when people who have spent their lifetimes
> > raising cattle tell their stories. photos don't lie either.
> >
> > Jonathan Ball wrote:
> >
> >>Gary Beckwith wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Jonathan Ball wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>now, i have to take particular issue with your portrayal of the meat
> >>>>>industry providing a good life for many animals. That simply is NOT
> >>>>>true. The vast majority of animals raised for meat live HORRIBLE
> >>>>>lives. They are confined to very small areas, pumped with hormones,
> >>>>>body parts removed, and killed in very painful and inhumane ways.
> >>>>
> >>>>Prove any of this. Get busy.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don't have to prove it, there are dozens of books already written,
> >>
> >>Cite them.
> >>
> >>
> >>>with photos, first hand accounts from farmers, etc. read Diet for A New
> >>>America.
> >>
> >>Worthless propaganda by someone who ought to know
> >>better, and probably does, but willfully lies.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Do you
> >>>>>know how a beef cattle is killed? Look it up, it's disgusting. I know,
> >>>>>I live in farm country and I see it every day.
> >>>>
> >>>>Beef cattle are not slaughtered in farm country. Stop
> >>>>lying.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>My point was not about WHERE they are slaughtered, it is about HOW. The
> >>>WHERE has nothing to do with it.
> >>
> >>Liar. You claimed to know the HOW because you live in
> >>farm country, which is a WHE
> >>
> >> I know [how beef cattle are slaughtered], I live in
> >> farm country and I see it every day.
> >>
> >>You LIED. You do NOT see it every day. In fact, you
> >>filthy liar, you have NEVER seen it.
> >>
> >>Admit it: you LIED.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>>Even dairy cows are
> >>>>>often confined to indoor barns and never get to roam. I drive by a
> >>>>>dairy farm almost every day, that is basically a huge metal building
> >>>>>full of cows that can't even turn around. I've never seen them let
> >>>>>outside in years.
> >>>>
> >>>>You've never been inside the building, either, so you
> >>>>don't know what you're talking about.
> >>
> >>Predictably, no comment. You liked about your
> >>knowledge of dairy cattle operations, too.
> >>
> >>Just out of curiosity, is there anything you HAVEN'T
> >>lied about in this thread?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>>your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
> >>>>>crop that kills more animals than meat?
> >>>>
> >>>>Fields are disced, and when the crops are harvested,
> >>>>heavy machinery again drives through the fields,
> >>>>killing animals.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>killing what animals? the bugs in the soil? this is rediculous.
> >>
> >>No, dummy. Burrowing mammals, birds, reptiles. What's
> >>"rediculous" [sic] about it?