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> wrote:
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> >
> > Some of them have decent lives and some of them don't.
>
> That's merely your opinion, and it is based on ignorance.
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Just as it is vegan ignorance that says they have bad lives?
>
> > If you think they all have HORRIBLE lives then you're being no
> > more realistic about it than someone who thinks they all have
> > decent lives.
>
> If one thinks that it is horrible to kill an animal for
> human consumption, then they indeed all have horrible
> lives.
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Why is vegans never consider it bad to kill animals and then NOT eat them?
happens all the time for your veggies production.
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> >
> >
> >>your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
> >>crop that kills more animals than meat?
> >
> >
> > From the life and death of a grass raised steer people can
> > get over 500 servings of beef.
>
> You are a massive hypocrite. You do not eat grass-fed
> beef. You do not make any effort at all to choose meat
> from sources that treated animals better than the
> average for their industries. You buy whatever beef,
> chicken, pork and other that Piggly Wiggly has in
> shrink-wrapped packages. You are not an ethical meat
> eater.
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Grass fed beef is quite easy to find, oh master mind-reader. The ones I eat
are raised just down the road, and are slaughtered
just a few more miles down the road. They aren't 'kept' in barns or stalls
either. They have an open 'shed' they can go into if they please, but they
mostly roam the fields doing what cows do best. Eating grasses.
>
> > A few meals of tofu are likely
> > to involve more deaths than 500 meals from grass raised beef.
>
> You have no support for that claim. It's idle,
> ignorant speculation.
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No, it's not. What is speculative about pesticide deaths of animals? what
is speculative about poisoning animals at storage and processing facilities?
I think it's your blinders getting in the way.
Animals die in crop production. It's not a game. It's not speculation.
Plowing, spraying, harvesting are all machine intensive operations. their
direct usage
kills animals. the indirect costs from the petro-chemical industry causes
even more.
Have a nice blood-drenched dinner, killer...
Here are some sites, with info on specific areas and
pesticides. Animal die...
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...feFactSheet.pd
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Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
Just a little extra proof that they are NO vegans on usenet.
snippage...