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"Gary Beckwith" > wrote in message
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> you are full of vegan baloney!
>
> first of all eating vegan DOES help animals because it decreases demand
> for meat.

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And increases the demand for veggies that can cause even more animals to
die.
Why is it that only the big moo-eyed cows count toward all this vegan
'saving'?



>
> second, vegan is not just an eating habit. it is a way of life.

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Which is not being followed by *ANY* so-called vegan here on usenet.


many
> vegans don't just refrain from eating meat, they also contribute to
> organizations such as Farm Sanctuary or PETA, that have many programs
> that directly affect the welfare of animals.

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You do realize don't you that PeTA(the 'e' is lower case in their logo for a
reason) kills more
animals than it saves once they get their bloody hands on them don't you?


>
> now, i have to take particular issue with your portrayal of the meat
> industry providing a good life for many animals. That simply is NOT
> true. The vast majority of animals raised for meat live HORRIBLE
> lives. They are confined to very small areas, pumped with hormones,
> body parts removed, and killed in very painful and inhumane ways. Do you
> know how a beef cattle is killed? Look it up, it's disgusting.

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It's killed in a far more humane fashion than the animals that die to
provide you with your cheap, conveninet veggies, hypocrite.
Have you seen what poisons do to an animals gut over the course of a few
days, while they die a slow painful death?



I know,
> I live in farm country and I see it every day. Even dairy cows are
> often confined to indoor barns and never get to roam. I drive by a
> dairy farm almost every day, that is basically a huge metal building
> full of cows that can't even turn around. I've never seen them let
> outside in years.
>
> your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
> crop that kills more animals than meat?

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Yes, exactly. Look it up, killer. Plowing, spraying, harvesting, all can
cause death and suffering to animals.
Some crops even more so than others. Plus, your crops provide abundant
cover and easy food, allowing
the populations of many animals to explode over the summer. Then what
happens once these numbers are at their peak?
You take away all the food and cover, leaving the animals to suffer from
starvation and predation. Face it, crop production
is a killing proposition. And, that doesn't even include all the
petro-chemical input for the production, processing, and transportation of
your crops.


>
> you should get your facts straight before you state them as "facts".

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I suggest you get your's lined up first before you look even more stupid
than you already do.


>
> It sounds to me like you are just another meat eater trying to justify
> your cruel habit.

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No need. We accept that death occurs. Now, why do you try to justify all
the death
and suffering you cause?


Virtually all your statements are completely false.
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Everyone of yours is....


> If you do some research, read some books, you'll get the real facts.
> But then I suppose you'll turn on your blinders and then start talking
> about how vegetables feel just as much pain when they are killed so
> there's no reason to be vegetarian. I've actually heard that one
> before.

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ROTFLMAO I suggest you worry about the mammals, birds, reptiles, fish, and
amphibians tha die for no more reason
than your selfish conveninece.


>
> Look, if you want to eat meat, go ahead and do it. No one is stopping
> you. Don't try to tell vegetarians that their lifestyle is wrong,
> though. Especially if you are going to make your argument is completely
> untrue.

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It's yours that is completly untrue and full of ignorance. And, vegans are
always trying to tell us how to eat.



>
> Gary
>
> wrote:
> >
> > It appears that in order to think of things in the correct and

ethically
> > superior way, some people believe we should disregard certain facts.
> > Overall it appears to me that veg*ns want to disregard more facts than
> > meat consumers, but maybe I'm wrong about that. The following are
> > lists of facts that meat eaters want to disregard, and that veg*ns want
> > to disregard. If you have more to add, please do so.
> >
> > Facts that meat consumers want to disregard:
> > 1.The meat industry provides life for the billions of animals who are
> > killed so we can eat them.
> >
> > Facts that veg*ns want to disregard:
> > 1.The meat industry provides life for the billions of animals who are
> > killed so we can eat them.
> > 2. Some of the animals raised for food have decent lives.
> > 3. Veg*nism does nothing to provide decent lives for farm animals.
> > 4. Veg*nism does nothing to help or provide more life for any animals.
> > 5. People can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but they
> > can't do it by being veg*n.
> > 6. Veg*ns contribute to most of the same animal deaths that everyone
> > else does by their use of wood, paper, roads, buildings,

electricity,
> > things that contain animal by-products, and the veggies they eat.
> > 7. Some types of meat involve fewer animal deaths than some types of
> > veggies.
> > 8. Some types of meat involve less animal suffering than some types of
> > veggies.