Gary Beckwith wrote:

> i have no responsibility to prove anything to you.

You have an intellectual responsibility to support your
claims. That you don't even attempt to support them,
particularly after shrilly demanding that others
support theirs, indicates not just the intellectual
bankruptcy of your position, but a massive character
flaw as well.

The massive character flaw, of course, was already in
evidence, when you LIED about your basis for knowing
about cattle slaughter and dairy farm operations. The
flaw is revealed as even deeper than expected, when you
top-post and refuse to address the fact that you LIED.

> you are obviously closed minded anyway.

Non sequitur, and not based on either logic or
observation. You merely don't like that I disagree
with you.

> to say it is worthless propoganda shows your
> point of view already.

Robbins is a polemicist and propagandist, not a scientist.

> why should I waste my time. the truth is, it is
> NOT worthless propaganda when people who have spent their lifetimes
> raising cattle tell their stories. photos don't lie either.
>
> Jonathan Ball wrote:
>
>>Gary Beckwith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jonathan Ball wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>now, i have to take particular issue with your portrayal of the meat
>>>>>industry providing a good life for many animals. That simply is NOT
>>>>>true. The vast majority of animals raised for meat live HORRIBLE
>>>>>lives. They are confined to very small areas, pumped with hormones,
>>>>>body parts removed, and killed in very painful and inhumane ways.
>>>>
>>>>Prove any of this. Get busy.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't have to prove it, there are dozens of books already written,
>>
>>Cite them.
>>
>>
>>>with photos, first hand accounts from farmers, etc. read Diet for A New
>>>America.
>>
>>Worthless propaganda by someone who ought to know
>>better, and probably does, but willfully lies.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Do you
>>>>>know how a beef cattle is killed? Look it up, it's disgusting. I know,
>>>>>I live in farm country and I see it every day.
>>>>
>>>>Beef cattle are not slaughtered in farm country. Stop
>>>>lying.
>>>
>>>
>>>My point was not about WHERE they are slaughtered, it is about HOW. The
>>>WHERE has nothing to do with it.
>>
>>Liar. You claimed to know the HOW because you live in
>>farm country, which is a WHE
>>
>> I know [how beef cattle are slaughtered], I live in
>> farm country and I see it every day.
>>
>>You LIED. You do NOT see it every day. In fact, you
>>filthy liar, you have NEVER seen it.
>>
>>Admit it: you LIED.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>Even dairy cows are
>>>>>often confined to indoor barns and never get to roam. I drive by a
>>>>>dairy farm almost every day, that is basically a huge metal building
>>>>>full of cows that can't even turn around. I've never seen them let
>>>>>outside in years.
>>>>
>>>>You've never been inside the building, either, so you
>>>>don't know what you're talking about.
>>
>>Predictably, no comment. You liked about your
>>knowledge of dairy cattle operations, too.
>>
>>Just out of curiosity, is there anything you HAVEN'T
>>lied about in this thread?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>your #7 is outrageous. what exactly are you thinking of? A vegetable
>>>>>crop that kills more animals than meat?
>>>>
>>>>Fields are disced, and when the crops are harvested,
>>>>heavy machinery again drives through the fields,
>>>>killing animals.
>>>
>>>
>>>killing what animals? the bugs in the soil? this is rediculous.
>>
>>No, dummy. Burrowing mammals, birds, reptiles. What's
>>"rediculous" [sic] about it?