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Winemaking (rec.crafts.winemaking) Discussion of the process, recipes, tips, techniques and general exchange of lore on the process, methods and history of wine making. Includes traditional grape wines, sparkling wines & champagnes.

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Old 17-05-2006, 07:11 PM posted to rec.crafts.winemaking
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How do you raise the Ph? What is the "norm for reds and whites?
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Old 17-05-2006, 10:47 PM posted to rec.crafts.winemaking
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Reduce the acid, the more tartaric removed the higher the pH. If you
want a guesstimate I would say 3.2-3.4 for whites and 3.5 to 3.7 for
reds.

Joe

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Old 18-05-2006, 04:34 PM posted to rec.crafts.winemaking
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Why am I always picking on your posts? lol

Actually, not picking at all - just adding; I tend to prefer my white
wines more crisp than most white wines here in California (I prefer
Burgundy's, NZ Sauvignon Blanc, etc); my target pH for my estate grown
Marsanne is 3.1 to 3.3; slightly more acidic than your range.
Ditto on the reds (Bordeaux / California style) - 3.5 to 3.7.

Tom - one thing that really helps me; find out / know the pH and TA of
different wines that you like / don't like. Talk to the winemakers.
That will help you decide, in future vintages, for each wine you make.
There is not a "one size fits all" - each wine is deserving of a
strategy that best complements the grape's inherent character, the
style you wish to emulate, the balance you're trying to achieve, etc.

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Old 18-05-2006, 04:34 PM posted to rec.crafts.winemaking
Ric[_1_]
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Default Ph

Why am I always picking on your posts? lol

Actually, not picking at all - just adding; I tend to prefer my white
wines more crisp than most white wines here in California (I prefer
Burgundy's, NZ Sauvignon Blanc, etc); my target pH for my estate grown
Marsanne is 3.1 to 3.3; slightly more acidic than your range.
Ditto on the reds (Bordeaux / California style) - 3.5 to 3.7.

Tom - one thing that really helps me; find out / know the pH and TA of
different wines that you like / don't like. Talk to the winemakers.
That will help you decide, in future vintages, for each wine you make.
There is not a "one size fits all" - each wine is deserving of a
strategy that best complements the grape's inherent character, the
style you wish to emulate, the balance you're trying to achieve, etc.

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Old 18-05-2006, 05:50 PM posted to rec.crafts.winemaking
Joe Sallustio
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I used to go that low but my generic whites come from the Central
Valley, it's usually Regina Juice as a base. If I make a Riesling or
Chenin Blanc at a pH of 3.1 it's just too sharply tart, you get the
acids way up front and can't taste anything else. I'm assuming they
are a little overcropped or it's just the hot weather, but they need to
be softer in my opinion. I usually blend something northern in to
round them out, we grow a lot of hybrids up here in PA and NY. I do
like a little tartness and agree the range is wide open, do what tastes
good to the end user. If you are shooting for a sweet wine the acids
can be quite high and pH pretty low.

Joe

 




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