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Old 01-04-2005, 05:50 PM
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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?
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Old 01-04-2005, 06:35 PM
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You could also add Petit Verdot, Malbec, and Cabernet Franc (if you just
happen to have some lying around).

The Bordeaux blends that I've done are typically about 80% Merlot and 20%
Cab. It really depends what flavor profile you're after. I'd suggest going
to the web sites for wineries whose blends you like, and see what they do.
Use that as a starting point and experiment to see what works best with the
wines that you have. Many Meritage blends that we like are more Cab heavy
(70% cab, 20% merlot, with the other 10% made up of the 3 varietals I listed
above). We're going to try that kind of blend this year, while also
continuing to do our predominantly merlot based blend.

Ed


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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?



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Old 01-04-2005, 07:15 PM
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Hello,

Unfortunately, there is not straight answer to your question, but if we keep
it simple the standard Bordeaux blend is Merlot, Cab Sauv, and Cab Franc
(there are also a few other varietals that are less popular like Malbec and
Petit Verdot, but like I just said lest keep it simple.) The base varietals
in Bordeaux are usually Merlot or Cab. Sauv., however, the base varietals
are usually dependant on the region for example: Pomerol and St. Emillion
usually base their wines with Merlot first, then Cab Sauv. then Cab. Franc,
however, a Medoc blend usually starts with a base of Cab. Sauv. Although you
need to keep in mind that all blends are dependent on vintage, the Chateau
and the vintner. The best blends are done by taste, if you Merlot has a lot
of fruit, and your Cab. has a lot of mineral and tannic flavours you might
want to do a few tests, 50% 50%, 75%-45% and so on so see how they balance
out...Plus if you have some Cab Franc then you would blend it according to
taste... I suggest inviting a few people to do a blending tasting because it
is always good to get a second opinion...

I hope this helps...

Shawn



"Jim" wrote in message
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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?



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Old 01-04-2005, 07:15 PM
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Hello,

Unfortunately, there is not straight answer to your question, but if we keep
it simple the standard Bordeaux blend is Merlot, Cab Sauv, and Cab Franc
(there are also a few other varietals that are less popular like Malbec and
Petit Verdot, but like I just said lest keep it simple.) The base varietals
in Bordeaux are usually Merlot or Cab. Sauv., however, the base varietals
are usually dependant on the region for example: Pomerol and St. Emillion
usually base their wines with Merlot first, then Cab Sauv. then Cab. Franc,
however, a Medoc blend usually starts with a base of Cab. Sauv. Although you
need to keep in mind that all blends are dependent on vintage, the Chateau
and the vintner. The best blends are done by taste, if you Merlot has a lot
of fruit, and your Cab. has a lot of mineral and tannic flavours you might
want to do a few tests, 50% 50%, 75%-45% and so on so see how they balance
out...Plus if you have some Cab Franc then you would blend it according to
taste... I suggest inviting a few people to do a blending tasting because it
is always good to get a second opinion...

I hope this helps...

Shawn



"Jim" wrote in message
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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?



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Old 01-04-2005, 10:13 PM
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Jim wrote:

I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?


This depends - even in the different subregions of Bordeaux in France.
You mention only two of the Bordeaux varieties. Cabernet Franc is also one
of the major contributors. From my experience (North Central Maryland -
Northern Virginia) I have found that a blend of Merlot and Cabernet Franc
usually produces the results I like the best. I used to think that
Cabernet Sauvignon would be the major component in the blend but this has
not been my experience with the grapes from this region. I do however add
a little (10% to 20% Cabernet Sauvignon) for the tannins and increased
aging potential. You will need test blend and to experiment with the
typical Bordeaux grapes to see what suits you the best.
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Old 01-04-2005, 10:43 PM
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Thank you all for the information I will be working with Washington
Cab/Sav and Merlot which I have and if I can I will look for Cab/Franc
this fall.
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Old 02-04-2005, 04:29 AM
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"Jim" wrote in message
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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?


There are no "usual percentages" for a Bordeaux blend. It's all done by
taste. If it's a Right Bank Bordeaux blend it'll be heavier on Merlot
and/or Cabernet Franc; Left Bank blends tend to be mostly Cabernet
Sauvignon, but may also contain Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Malbec and Petite
Verdot in varying amounts. Once again, let your palate be your guide.

Tom S


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Old 02-04-2005, 04:29 AM
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"Jim" wrote in message
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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?


There are no "usual percentages" for a Bordeaux blend. It's all done by
taste. If it's a Right Bank Bordeaux blend it'll be heavier on Merlot
and/or Cabernet Franc; Left Bank blends tend to be mostly Cabernet
Sauvignon, but may also contain Merlot, Cabernet Franc, Malbec and Petite
Verdot in varying amounts. Once again, let your palate be your guide.

Tom S


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Old 02-04-2005, 02:20 PM
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Jim,
Paul and I are from the northern US; Cab Franc has the best chance of
living through our winters and does well from Virginia all the way up
into New York; Merlot and Cab Sauv are less used here.

Your weather in general and sun are better, keep that in mind. You
may not need the Cab Franc.

Most consider Merlot to be quicker maturing and use that as a guide
when adding it in a blend. You can play one (or many) off the others
to get what you want. If your base wines have similar sugar and acid
levels you will typically get more tannin out of Cab Sauv.

Joe

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Old 02-04-2005, 04:26 PM
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Jim,

As others have said, there is no hard, fast rule. I have been making
barrel-aged Bordeaux for several years and have found a 60:40 blend of Cab
Sauv to Merlot to generally be quite good but, as others have said, it
depends on how long you are wanting/willing to age the wine. The more Cab
Sauv the higher the tanning and the longer the aging required. I try to
keep most of my Bordeaux for 3 years or longer before I drink much of it and
7-8 years is even better.

From what I've read the main varieties of grape in bordeaus are Cab Sauv and
Merlot and that one of the reasons for planting the "minor" varieties is to
have the insurance of diverse crops in the event of seasonal variations.

Glen Duff

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I have the Merlot and I will soon have the cab/sav. Can some one tell
me what if anything else do I require for a Bordeaux blend and what
are the usual percentages that you would blend?



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Old 02-04-2005, 04:39 PM
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Thank you for the information.
Considering I only have the Merlot and Cab/Sav at this time I will
start by blending 5% then 10% then 15% Merlot into the Cab/Sav and see
what effect that has. I have been told once you get beyond 15% you can
loose the taste of the base wine, which in my case is the Cab/Sav.
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Old 02-04-2005, 05:19 PM
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It's not neccessarily a bad thing to lose a bit of the base blend, it's
not uncommon to blend 65% Cab with 35% Merlot, some feel it is
drinkable sooner that way and they are probably right. You won't go
wrong whatever you decide, don't get too hung up on thinking it
through. All wines evolve with time, most for the better.

joe


Jim wrote:
Thank you for the information.
Considering I only have the Merlot and Cab/Sav at this time I will
start by blending 5% then 10% then 15% Merlot into the Cab/Sav and

see
what effect that has. I have been told once you get beyond 15% you

can
loose the taste of the base wine, which in my case is the Cab/Sav.


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Old 02-04-2005, 06:01 PM
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I have just started using a product from Scott Lab called
Gecoll Supra on my red wine. I am convinced as a fining agent it
removes harsh tannin and can make the wine drinkable sooner. I am
hoping to not have to wait a long time for my Bordeux.
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Old 02-04-2005, 09:57 PM
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Jim wrote:

I have just started using a product from Scott Lab called
Gecoll Supra on my red wine. I am convinced as a fining agent it
removes harsh tannin and can make the wine drinkable sooner. I am
hoping to not have to wait a long time for my Bordeux.


I don't know why so many insist in naming their blends "Bordeaux".
I would really like to see a movement in this country (California included)
in which blends are named after the American Viticulture Area (AVA) in
which the grapes are grown.

I do not think the rules should be as stringent as they are in France where
AVAs are known as Appelations. For example, I do not think there should be
rules here in the US that state how many grapes can be grown per acre or
which grapes are "Official" grapes in the blend.

For example, I make a "Bordeaux type" wine but I name mine Catoctin because
I live in the Catoctin AVA in Maryland. The grapes are grown in my backyard
vineyard. I think that wineries should make the very best blend they can
from whatever grapes grow the best and make the best wine in their
particular AVA and NAME THE WINE AFTER THE AVA. In my opinion this would
foster competition among the various AVAs and allow wineries to use
whatever grape(s) they grow to make the very best from that particular AVA.

It is interesting that here in Maryland there is Winery named Catoctin even
though it is NOT in the Catoctin AVA. It is no where close to the Catoctin
AVA. I think in may be in the Linganore AVA. I was told my one of the
members of the Maryland Grape Growers Association that should I ever market
my wine, I could be in trouble for naming my wine after the AVA. I told
him I would welcome a legal challenge since I am not naming my "WINERY"
Catoctin but the blend itself. I think anyone else growing in the Catoctin
AVA, for example, should be able to make their own "Catoctin" wine. The
label would bear the name of the winery and this would be a way for
wineries to compete on an equal footing. It would also be a way for AVAs
to compete against other AVAs.
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Old 03-04-2005, 10:35 PM
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Paul,
I just drove through your AVA Friday and stopped at Tarara in VA. The
wine was very good, better than a few Finger Lakes I've had. They grew
and made some great hybrids too.

The other issue you run into is no one but a wine maker or wine
enthusiast would have clue what an AVA is or what French American
hybrids are and why anyone would want to drink them. Often a wine
drinker find something they like and sticks to it. It seems like that
why so many northern wineries make a wide range and a lot of sweet
wine, it's easily accepted. Just my thoughts...

Joe


I think anyone else growing in the Catoctin
AVA, for example, should be able to make their own "Catoctin" wine.

The
label would bear the name of the winery and this would be a way for
wineries to compete on an equal footing. It would also be a way for

AVAs
to compete against other AVAs.


 




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