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Old 28-11-2004, 01:09 PM
Sarge
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Default smelly Merlot

This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation appeared to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010 and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF fermentation or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge


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Old 28-11-2004, 02:19 PM
Paul E. Lehmann
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Sarge wrote:

......

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge


Treat as soon as possible. It will only get worse if you wait.
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Old 28-11-2004, 02:19 PM
Paul E. Lehmann
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Sarge wrote:

......

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge


Treat as soon as possible. It will only get worse if you wait.
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Old 29-11-2004, 11:32 AM
Sarge
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Bocksin isn't discussed very much on this forum. Is it new? I see a couple
of write-ups that mention it also strips out some flavors and you may also
require fining afterwards for possible cloudiness? Could it interfere with
MLF fermentation?
thanks
Sarge

"Aaron Puhala" wrote in message
...
I would try adding Bocksin to treat. It worked very well for me for some
cases that I thought were too stinky to save.

Aaron

"Sarge" wrote in message
...
This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin
V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I
noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation

appeared
to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010
and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I

had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF

fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I

want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge






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Old 29-11-2004, 11:32 AM
Sarge
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Default


Bocksin isn't discussed very much on this forum. Is it new? I see a couple
of write-ups that mention it also strips out some flavors and you may also
require fining afterwards for possible cloudiness? Could it interfere with
MLF fermentation?
thanks
Sarge

"Aaron Puhala" wrote in message
...
I would try adding Bocksin to treat. It worked very well for me for some
cases that I thought were too stinky to save.

Aaron

"Sarge" wrote in message
...
This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin
V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I
noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation

appeared
to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010
and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I

had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF

fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I

want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge






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Old 02-12-2004, 11:48 PM
Tom
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Sarge,

I had a Cab that went that way on me last year and caught it early on. I
simply added an 18-20 inch section of clean sanitized copper tubing to to my
siphon hose and racked twice through the copper. Noticed an immediate
reduction in the odor and at my next scheduled racking found no H2S smell.


Tom
"Sarge" wrote in message
...
This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin
V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I
noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation appeared
to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010
and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge




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Old 02-12-2004, 11:48 PM
Tom
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Sarge,

I had a Cab that went that way on me last year and caught it early on. I
simply added an 18-20 inch section of clean sanitized copper tubing to to my
siphon hose and racked twice through the copper. Noticed an immediate
reduction in the odor and at my next scheduled racking found no H2S smell.


Tom
"Sarge" wrote in message
...
This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin
V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I
noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation appeared
to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010
and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge




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Old 03-12-2004, 02:13 AM
Sarge
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Thanks for the practical suggestion Tom!
I think it would likely remove the H2S smell. Is it possible copper ions
remain in the wine after this? What can you do to remove the copper from
the wine after this treatment?
Sarge

"Tom" wrote in message
...
Sarge,

I had a Cab that went that way on me last year and caught it early on. I
simply added an 18-20 inch section of clean sanitized copper tubing to to

my
siphon hose and racked twice through the copper. Noticed an immediate
reduction in the odor and at my next scheduled racking found no H2S smell.


Tom
"Sarge" wrote in message
...
This is the my first batch of Merlot and it seems I got off on the wrong
foot. The Merlot starting SG was 1.092 and TA: 1.05%. I used Lavlin
V1...
yeast. Fermentation started easily and went without issues until I
noticed
an H2S smell towards the end of fermentation. The fermenetation

appeared
to
have finished so I pressed and put in DJ. The SG turned out to be 1.010
and
ended up overflowing out of the DJ several times. I cleaned up took a
little out and finished fermenting without further incident. A few days
later I racked to a clean DJ, added oak chips and MLF expecting that I

had
beat the H2S smell. Now 3 weeks into MLF I notice that it still has a
noticeable H2S smell.

Should I rack and aerate now in the middle of a vigorous MLF

fermentation
or
should I wait a few more weeks for MLF to complete before racking? I

want
the MLF fermentation to complete.

thanks
Sarge






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Old 03-12-2004, 05:05 AM
Charles H
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Sarge wrote:

Thanks for the practical suggestion Tom!
I think it would likely remove the H2S smell.


Fining with copper sulfate is a better idea, since you can easily
control the amount of copper that is added, thus adding only as much as
is needed to get the job done. Fining with bentonite will ensure that
all the copper is percipitated out (AFAIK)

--
Charles Horslin
St.Catharines, ON
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Old 03-12-2004, 05:05 AM
Charles H
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Sarge wrote:

Thanks for the practical suggestion Tom!
I think it would likely remove the H2S smell.


Fining with copper sulfate is a better idea, since you can easily
control the amount of copper that is added, thus adding only as much as
is needed to get the job done. Fining with bentonite will ensure that
all the copper is percipitated out (AFAIK)

--
Charles Horslin
St.Catharines, ON
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Old 03-12-2004, 12:32 PM
Sarge
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Charles
As usual, thanks for your great wine making advise!!!
Sarge
"Charles H" wrote in message
...
Sarge wrote:

Thanks for the practical suggestion Tom!
I think it would likely remove the H2S smell.


Fining with copper sulfate is a better idea, since you can easily
control the amount of copper that is added, thus adding only as much as
is needed to get the job done. Fining with bentonite will ensure that
all the copper is percipitated out (AFAIK)

--
Charles Horslin
St.Catharines, ON



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Old 03-12-2004, 12:32 PM
Sarge
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Charles
As usual, thanks for your great wine making advise!!!
Sarge
"Charles H" wrote in message
...
Sarge wrote:

Thanks for the practical suggestion Tom!
I think it would likely remove the H2S smell.


Fining with copper sulfate is a better idea, since you can easily
control the amount of copper that is added, thus adding only as much as
is needed to get the job done. Fining with bentonite will ensure that
all the copper is percipitated out (AFAIK)

--
Charles Horslin
St.Catharines, ON



 




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