I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers

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,
fishziblu wrote:

I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers

I don't see any reason to rest the soil. The crummier the soil, the
better the wine. What is the root stock, if any? If the vines are
labrusca, pull and plant. If the scion wood is vinifera, whack it off
the root stock, and t-bud.
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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

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No rest is required especially when you consider the soil isn't
"working" when you grow a plant.


On Jan 30, 4:50*am, fishziblu wrote:
I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers

"The crummier the soil, the
better the wine."

Total myth.



On Jan 30, 9:41*pm, Wildbilly wrote:
In article
,

*fishziblu wrote:
I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers

I don't see any reason to rest the soil. The crummier the soil, the
better the wine. What is the root stock, if any? If the vines are
labrusca, pull and plant. If the scion wood is vinifera, whack it off
the root stock, and t-bud.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...1/19/headlines

On Jan 30, 3:50*am, fishziblu wrote:
I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers


It is not necessarily letting the soil "rest", but replanted vines
*can* suffer lack of vigor if they aren't a strong rooted type. This
is believed to be due to soil pathogens (nematodes, fungus, etc.). At
least one year is recommended. You may or may not see any problems if
you immediately replant. A vigorous variety or rootstock will have
less risk.

Stephen

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wrote:

"The crummier the soil, the
better the wine."

Total myth.

Can I get a cite on that?
Fertile soil may give a large crop (good if yo are going to sell) but,
struggling vines set small grapes.



On Jan 30, 9:41*pm, Wildbilly wrote:
In article
,

*fishziblu wrote:
I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers

I don't see any reason to rest the soil. The crummier the soil, the
better the wine. What is the root stock, if any? If the vines are
labrusca, pull and plant. If the scion wood is vinifera, whack it off
the root stock, and t-bud.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...rrestin...http
://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

Hi to all,

Thanks. I got a vinegrower to look at the field, he told me that the
land loves vines.
We just pruned the existing vines and we got a year's growth averaging
12 feet from
almost all the vineplants. No irrigation. Soil mostly clay and some
limestone.

The current vines planted in the land is a local varietal grafted on
american rootstock.
Girgentina its called, thought to be imported by the knights from
France. (i.e. 450yrs ago)

I intend to plant syrah or cabernet sauv. also grafted on american
stock.

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fishziblu wrote:

Hi to all,

Thanks. I got a vinegrower to look at the field, he told me that the
land loves vines.
We just pruned the existing vines and we got a year's growth averaging
12 feet from
almost all the vineplants. No irrigation. Soil mostly clay and some
limestone.

The current vines planted in the land is a local varietal grafted on
american rootstock.
Girgentina its called, thought to be imported by the knights from
France. (i.e. 450yrs ago)

I intend to plant syrah or cabernet sauv. also grafted on american
stock.

If you remove the European fruit wood, and "T-bud" graft onto the stump,
you'll save yourself 2 to 3 years before you can get a crop out.

Knights from France? Chevalier du Cep? Where the hell are you? In a
viticultural region 3 to 5 I hope. These puppies don't like snow or 100F
temps.
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

The current layout of vines is quite haphazard.
The vines are head trained not trellised, they are adequately spaced,
but not ordered in rows.
Therefore working them is quite labourious. That's why I was thinking
of replanting.

The chevaliers are actually de Malte.

I dont know what region I am in. but frost is unheard of here,
although we see 100F once every lustre.

In article
,
fishziblu wrote:

The current layout of vines is quite haphazard.
The vines are head trained not trellised, they are adequately spaced,
but not ordered in rows.
Therefore working them is quite labourious. That's why I was thinking
of replanting.

The chevaliers are actually de Malte.

I dont know what region I am in. but frost is unheard of here,
although we see 100F once every lustre.

How old are the vines? Were they planted by Italians or French? If so,
they probably had a field blend in mind. Have you made wine from the
vineyard?
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

The vines are 20 to 40 years old. They were planted by local farmers.
I've just bought the land, never harvested anything as yet.

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fishziblu wrote:

The vines are 20 to 40 years old. They were planted by local farmers.
I've just bought the land, never harvested anything as yet.

Uh, I just googled your table grape (Girgentina), Fish, and it turns out
to be a wine grape from Malta.

http://www.marsovin.com.mt/ourbrands...mmid/5417/xmid
/3983/xmview/2/default.aspx
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/nicmifsud/1341782542/

Cabs and Syrahs are every where, but who do you know that makes a
Girgentina?

Malta
Climate
The climate is Mediterranean (Köppen climate classification Csa) /
Subtropical [58][59], with mild, rainy winters and hot, dry summers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta#Climate

Syrah/Shiraz (region 3) may do OK where you are, but a Cab (region 2)
would struggle. You might try Barbera, Nebbiolo (used to make Barolo),
or Sangiovese (heavey tannic wines like Brunelo, or light fruity wines).
The is also the indigenous red grape of Mallta the Gellewza which
produces medium bodied easy drinking red wines and award winning roses.
http://www.calwineries.com/learn/gra...t-summation-sc
ale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winkler_scale
http://www.malteseislands.com/wine.asp

Head pruning under these conditions is a good thing because it shades
the grapes, helping to prevent sunburn, which can then be infected with
mold.

Cane pruning or cordon is best for areas that are cool, and you want the
circulation of air, and penetration of sunlight to remove any moisture
that may collect in the canopy.

I'd suggest that you keep an experimental plot of these grapes, and
prune them back to 24 buds. If you are too lazy to prune, you might look
into getting a couple of goats;O)
--
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/...ting_activists
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/19/headlines

Malta?! Ok you tracked me out.
Who do I know that makes a Girgentina wine? Half the farmers of the
island.
And they make white wine in the same process as they make red wine. It
comes to a honey yellow
white, which is far away from the fruit wine that a white wine should
be.

Thanks for the varietal sugguestions. Syrah I have growing in another
field . Doing quite fine.
But my uncle sprays a lot of pesticides (and frankly dont know if they
need it). But it is his field. So!

As for training its true that in Malta we have torrid summer, however
we are surrounded by water,
which makes for a very humid climate. So a trellised setup saves me
from mold and backaches.
Most vineyards in malta have been converted to a trellised
installation successfully.

Most of the land will be kept with the old grapes. The new ones will
just be for my consumption. (100L annually of wine)

DON'T do it, just plow it all under and plant walnut trees or olive
trees. Grapes are too much trouble when you can buy them very cheap

fishziblu wrote:

I am just about to buy a parcel of land planted with a number of
untrained table grape vines. I want to replant part
of the land with wine grapes trained on trellises. I was made aware
that if I remove the old vines I would need to
let the soil rest before replanting can occur.

Should I let it rest and how long should I wait before replanting with
the new?

Cheers
I know that some say let it rest but I really don't know if it is necessary.
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