We made some wine years ago when it was all the craze, quit and then
started again a year ago (plenty of time to forget everything!), and
made some apple wine that we started in Oct. 2002. We bottled it in
late Feb. of this year and all looked good, sediment wise. The problem
is, it is still is throwing off sediment (we didn't fine or filter). A
couple of months ago we did a half-baked filter job on two bottles so
we could rebottle it to look decent as a gift for the people who gave
us the apples. Those bottles have gotten a filmy sediment that seems
to coalesce over time into little 'clumps' or 'flakes' of brownish
unsavory in appearance, very light weight sediment.

One thing I will mention: (remember, we're 'restarting' any winemaking
knowlege here!) we had trouble getting the fermentation started in the
primary. So we added another packet of yeast (this is a 5 gallon
batch) and that didn't work either. It turned out that we needed to
raise the temp to get the fermentation started but by the time we
figured that out, we may have added a third packet of yeast.

So, did adding the extra yeast cause this long sediment production or
is it because of the nature of apples, or is there another cause? We
made a batch of apple years ago and do not remember this kind of
problem with sediment. Plus, we have a 5 gal. batch of apple and a 6
gal. batch of pear, apple combo going and could use some advice on
getting this sedimentation problem under control for these batches. I
know we bottled a bit (maybe a LOT?) early. What advice can you more
experienced folks give us? By the way, the apple wine is quite good
(we think) and we're solving the sediment problem for these bottles by
doing a crude coffee filter filtering when we open the bottle for
drinking.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Chuck

"kksbridge" wrote in message
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We made some wine years ago when it was all the craze, quit and then
started again a year ago (plenty of time to forget everything!), and
made some apple wine that we started in Oct. 2002. We bottled it in
late Feb. of this year and all looked good, sediment wise. The problem
is, it is still is throwing off sediment (we didn't fine or filter). A
couple of months ago we did a half-baked filter job on two bottles so
we could rebottle it to look decent as a gift for the people who gave
us the apples. Those bottles have gotten a filmy sediment that seems
to coalesce over time into little 'clumps' or 'flakes' of brownish
unsavory in appearance, very light weight sediment.

One thing I will mention: (remember, we're 'restarting' any winemaking
knowlege here!) we had trouble getting the fermentation started in the
primary. So we added another packet of yeast (this is a 5 gallon
batch) and that didn't work either. It turned out that we needed to
raise the temp to get the fermentation started but by the time we
figured that out, we may have added a third packet of yeast.

So, did adding the extra yeast cause this long sediment production or
is it because of the nature of apples, or is there another cause? We
made a batch of apple years ago and do not remember this kind of
problem with sediment. Plus, we have a 5 gal. batch of apple and a 6
gal. batch of pear, apple combo going and could use some advice on
getting this sedimentation problem under control for these batches. I
know we bottled a bit (maybe a LOT?) early. What advice can you more
experienced folks give us? By the way, the apple wine is quite good
(we think) and we're solving the sediment problem for these bottles by
doing a crude coffee filter filtering when we open the bottle for
drinking.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Chuck

I've had that problem and was just about to post and ask! The sediment is
like little lumps of hard gritty stuff, not like the fine lees sediment you
sometimes get in prematurely bottled wine. The wine isn't still fermenting
as there is no fizz on opening the bottle.

(kksbridge) wrote in message . com...
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So, did adding the extra yeast cause this long sediment production or
is it because of the nature of apples, or is there another cause? ...


Not sure what is causing the sediment, but doubt it has anything to do
with adding a couple of extra yeast packets during fermentation.
Yeast multiply up to a saturation level pretty quickly, then switch
from reproduction to fermentation. Adding more yeast in the beginning
just means they reach saturation a bit faster. When fermentation is
done, they are generally pretty good about settling to the bottom of
the container.

Apples often have quite a bit of pectin, which tends to hold things in
suspension, so you usually see advice to use some pectic enzyme
(pectinase) to break the pectin down, during fermentation or later.
If you haven't used any pectinase on your existing batches, I'd
recommend adding some now.

Four or five months (October to February) is often enough time for
wines to settle and clarify nicely on their own, but there is no
specific rule - it may have been too early to bottle that particular
batch. You need to make sure that (a) any fermentation has completed,
and (b) the wine is crystal-clear. Even then, wines sometimes do
throw sediments.

If the wine seems stable (no bubbling) but just won't clear on its
own, you can use various fining agents to help any residual particles
of stuff settle out. Most are pretty cheap, readily available at
winemaking supply stores, and come with directions for use.

See Jack Keller's website for a very good overview of clarifying wine,
discussion of when to use different fining agents, etc. Sometimes the
first thing you use doesn't work; if so, the second (or occasionally
third) pretty likely will.

The relevant page on Jack's site is:
http://winemaking.jackkeller.net/finishin.asp

Doug