"Ken Anderson" wrote:

Yes, deer will bite the ends off your new vines! I used something called
"Liquid Fence" with good success. Also, if you have Japanese beetle
problems
like I do, get an aerosol can of houseplant bug spray and spray your
plants
whenever you see beetles. 24 vines will only take a few minutes.
Incredibly
handy!

When's deer season open? Mix up some Dawn dishwashing detergent in your
sprayer, and use it instead. Far less toxic than bug spray, and works just
as well. Household bug spray will be absorbed and retained by the vine. If
you use poison on an food plant, use a non-systemic substance like carboryl
(sold as Sevin). But the detergent is safer.

"Negodki" wrote in message
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"Ken Anderson" wrote:

Yes, deer will bite the ends off your new vines! I used something called
"Liquid Fence" with good success. Also, if you have Japanese beetle
problems
like I do, get an aerosol can of houseplant bug spray and spray your
plants
whenever you see beetles. 24 vines will only take a few minutes.
Incredibly
handy!

When's deer season open? Mix up some Dawn dishwashing detergent in your
sprayer, and use it instead. Far less toxic than bug spray, and works just
as well. Household bug spray will be absorbed and retained by the vine. If
you use poison on an food plant, use a non-systemic substance like
carboryl
(sold as Sevin). But the detergent is safer.

No need to worry about food toxicity on first or second year vines. You just
want to keep 'em healthy so they'll develop a strong root system. And the
bug spray is still more convenient than mixing up dishwashing liquid. Easier
aerosol application, too. Some people avoid all such things on principle
alone, but I'm not one of them. ; )
Ken A.

Ken ,

Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
deer damage.

Bob

"Ken Anderson" wrote in message . net...
"bob" wrote in message
om...
Ken,
Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
"hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.


Bob

I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks who
claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be true,
right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture, to the
right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further over.
Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm gonna
want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's got
to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.

Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to mention
that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little fence
must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the fence,
it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt version.
Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix. I
can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
Ken A.

"bob" wrote in message
om...
Ken ,

Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
deer damage.

Bob

"Ken Anderson" wrote in message
. net...
"bob" wrote in message
om...
Ken,
Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been there,
done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between the
wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which works
great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
"hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see it.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.


Bob

I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks who
claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be
true,
right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture, to
the
right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further
over.
Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm
gonna
want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's
got
to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.

"Ken Anderson" wrote:

Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to
mention
that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little
fence
must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the
fence,
it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt
version.
Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix.
I
can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
Ken A.

I think you forgot to mention that the original problem was raccoons, and
that's what determined the fence height.

The transformer's output should be stamped on the unit somewhere. They may
make a 1000 V version. The deer can step over it, but the may be afraid to
do so. If you notice, the wire emits an audible hum, and a visible
vibration. This is enough to make some animals wary. So they nose around,
and get shocked, and (hopefully) go elsewhere.

Throw some marshmallows out in the woods for the coons, shoot a deer and
put it on a spit, invite some friends and open up some bottles of wine.
That should keep them away for the night. ::::::
"Ken Anderson" wrote in message
. net...
Well, I did a dumb thing and started this new thread, forgetting to
mention
that indeed the fence is electrified. Electric fences were mentioned in a
recent previous thread. I apologize. Good God! Looking at that little
fence
must have given some people a pretty good chuckle! : ) About the
fence,
it pegs my meter at 1000 volts AC, so I believe it's the 1200 volt
version.
Incidently, the bottom wire is 6 inches off the ground, and the second one
is 6 inches above that. This morning, I noticed a deformation in the wire,
as though something had bumped it pretty good. A deer ankle maybe? Poor
deer. (Not) I'm keeping an eye out for moist, barren stems, which tell me
they were freshly eaten. Didn't notice any this morning. I will post more
results. I don't expect I can let these grapes go any longer than two more
weeks. Haven't checked TA or pH, but the best bunches are only at 16 Brix.
I
can expect better than that can't I, here in NE Ohio?
Ken A.

"bob" wrote in message
om...
Ken ,

Like Sean said, if that fence isn't electric it will do nothing. Trust
me. Deer will rowse in June and then in later summer usually around
Sept/Oct. What I have are 4X4's with the wires attached to with 2X4's
for inside bracing. THe fencing is $49.99 at Home Depot for 100ft. The
whole fence if you were going to fence in a 50 X 50 vineyard would
probably cost you about $175. Chain-link fence ain't that cheap for
200ft. The other thing I do is the fence is only 5 ft from the trellis
system so they won't jump it if they can't land on the other side. For
the ends of the rows the fence is also 5 ft away and I have a rope
strung along the top of the trellis posts so they would have to jump
on to that to get in on the ends. If you have a tractor this obviously
won't work and you also , if your really paranoid , have to put ropes
in the corners, from the end trellis post to the end fence post to
keep that access blocked. Deer are VERY smart and I will guarantee
what you have there will break your heart when you wake up and see the
deer damage.

Bob

"Ken Anderson" wrote in message
. net...
"bob" wrote in message
om...
Ken,
Don't want to burst your bubble but that ain't gonna work. Been
there,
done that and it doesn't work. The little ones jump right between
the
wires if the big ones don't jump over it. The fence I have which
works
great is a system which uses the fencing you get at homw depot. 7 ft
high. You string 2 wires between 2 posts , one at 7 ft and the other
at ground level. Get "turnbuckles to tighten the two wires and then
"hand the deer fence with plastic ties. You need to brace the end
posts on the inside, 2X4's will do into the ground. It's easy to put
up, it works and if you stain the posts a gray you can barely see
it.

Hope this helps.

Good luck.


Bob

I did some more googling before doing the fence thing. I found folks
who
claimed the fence works. And, if it's on the internet, it HAS to be
true,
right? ; ) At least it only cost me under $30. In the OP picture,
to
the
right is a row of first year Cab Franc, Riesling and Chard are further
over.
Those are Niagaras I'm trying to save this year, but by next year I'm
gonna
want to have something effective in place to control critters. There's
got
to be a way, or my name's Elmer Fudd.