pp wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:27 pm, Joe Sallustio wrote:
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)


Yeah, but as you mentioned, Joe, those are not meant for long-term
aging and screwcaps are not available to home winemakers, so corks are
really the only option for wines aged 10 years. Or crown caps but
there the issue is they don't fit on regular wine bottles.

Pp

how about saving martinelli sparkling cider bottles? They take crown
caps and are 750ml.

Gene

On Nov 16, 3:11 am, gene wrote:
pp wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:27 pm, Joe Sallustio wrote:
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)

Yeah, but as you mentioned, Joe, those are not meant for long-term
aging and screwcaps are not available to home winemakers, so corks are
really the only option for wines aged 10 years. Or crown caps but
there the issue is they don't fit on regular wine bottles.

Pp

how about saving martinelli sparkling cider bottles? They take crown
caps and are 750ml.

Gene

Yeah, I know there are bottles out there that take crown caps, it's
just hard to get them in quantities I need every year, I don't drink
that much cider or sparkling wine... I though about beer bottles for a
bit but don't like the look.

Pp

pp wrote:
On Nov 16, 3:11 am, gene wrote:
pp wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:27 pm, Joe Sallustio wrote:
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)
Yeah, but as you mentioned, Joe, those are not meant for long-term
aging and screwcaps are not available to home winemakers, so corks are
really the only option for wines aged 10 years. Or crown caps but
there the issue is they don't fit on regular wine bottles.
Pp
how about saving martinelli sparkling cider bottles? They take crown
caps and are 750ml.

Gene

Yeah, I know there are bottles out there that take crown caps, it's
just hard to get them in quantities I need every year, I don't drink
that much cider or sparkling wine... I though about beer bottles for a
bit but don't like the look.

Pp

During the production of many champagnes/sparkling wines, the bottles
are capped with crown bottle caps. It is only after disgorging that
they put in a cork.

From http://www.homebrewit.com/aisle/1040

Champagne Wine Bottles - 750ml - GREEN - 12 per case

Quantity

These are thick walled, HEAVY, high quality champagne bottle. 750ml and
green in color. Will accept #7, #8 or #9 corks along with plastic or
natural champaigne corks and wires. A floor corker is highly
recommended. Can also accept a crown cap for those who like to ''cork
and cap'' their special champagne type brews. Bottle bottoms may be
flat, punted or push-up. Price is per case of 12 bottles

Gene

pp wrote:
On Nov 16, 3:11 am, gene wrote:
pp wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:27 pm, Joe Sallustio wrote:
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)
Yeah, but as you mentioned, Joe, those are not meant for long-term
aging and screwcaps are not available to home winemakers, so corks are
really the only option for wines aged 10 years. Or crown caps but
there the issue is they don't fit on regular wine bottles.
Pp
how about saving martinelli sparkling cider bottles? They take crown
caps and are 750ml.

Gene

Yeah, I know there are bottles out there that take crown caps, it's
just hard to get them in quantities I need every year, I don't drink
that much cider or sparkling wine... I though about beer bottles for a
bit but don't like the look.

Pp

I found a very good discussion here on 750 ml crown cap bottles:

http://www.drinksplanet.com/forums/h...own-seals.html

One person said the European champagne bottles take a different size
cap, but that the American sparkling wine bottle take regular crown
caps. Another recommended taking a regular crown cap with you when you
shop for such bottles to make sure they take the normal crown cap and
not a special size one.

Gene

gene wrote:
pp wrote:
On Nov 16, 3:11 am, gene wrote:
pp wrote:
On Nov 15, 2:27 pm, Joe Sallustio wrote:
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)
Yeah, but as you mentioned, Joe, those are not meant for long-term
aging and screwcaps are not available to home winemakers, so corks are
really the only option for wines aged 10 years. Or crown caps but
there the issue is they don't fit on regular wine bottles.
Pp
how about saving martinelli sparkling cider bottles? They take crown
caps and are 750ml.

Gene

Yeah, I know there are bottles out there that take crown caps, it's
just hard to get them in quantities I need every year, I don't drink
that much cider or sparkling wine... I though about beer bottles for a
bit but don't like the look.

Pp

I found a very good discussion here on 750 ml crown cap bottles:

http://www.drinksplanet.com/forums/h...own-seals.html


One person said the European champagne bottles take a different size
cap, but that the American sparkling wine bottle take regular crown
caps. Another recommended taking a regular crown cap with you when you
shop for such bottles to make sure they take the normal crown cap and
not a special size one.

Gene

One more good point to consider is how long the crown cap provides an
adequate seal...

From http://www.laprovencalecellars.com/sparklingcider.htm

"We recommend holding the 750ml bottles no longer than three years and
the 187ml for two years. The crown cap closure is secure, but the
carbonation will begin to dissipate with age."

It appears those crown capped bottles do have the ability to
micro-oxygenate/bottle age wines grin

Gene

Tough to put a cork screw through though - LOL. It looks good, but it is
still using rubber to separate wine from air.


"Joe Sallustio" wrote in message
...
The problem you are seeing is one of the reasons I use synthetics
now. :0)

There is a very cool new closure out now but the people who make it
(Alcoa) only work through a distributor who wants to sell millions at
a time to wineries. It's basically a glass stopper with a viton
seal. You can find them on Alsatian wines right now, other may use
them too. They are expensive but seem to solve all the problems with
closures. It's a very cool closure and it goes in like any stopper,
no tools needed.

Here is a link:

http://www.jobwerx.com/news/headline...id=946962.html


Joe