About six years ago, I decided to try some wines from the local shop
over a 3 month period, and apparently I had stellar luck picking them,
because they were all quite good. The problem is that I can't remember
what they were except that most were red. Also, I haven't had any wine
since until recently.

Fast forward to this year and last fall. I Have tried several wines in
the past six months which were all quite horrible. I tried two
shiraz's, three zinfandels, two cabernets, a pinot grigio, a pinot
grigio/chardonnay mix, two chardonnays and a merlot. Every single one
was simply putrid, not one iota sweet, and tasted like vinegar mixed
with century old cigarette ashes.

The only wine I know of that I actually like is Kreusch's Zeller
Schwarze Katz, which one of my friends has kept in stock since before
the incidents six years ago. Also, I have had Zeller Schwarze Katz off
and on for the past ten years, so it doesn't really bear on the current
discussion except to serve as an example of my tastes.

I describe my preferences in a wine thusly:
1. Nose with mostly scents recognizable as from the grapes, not the
casks.
2. Medium body.
3. Just noticeably sweet but not cloyingly so.
4. Medium strength palate with mild tannins and just a little
spiritiness, or none.
5. Absolutley no strong "savory" tastes in the palate. (the word
"savory"
defined as when it is contrasted with the word "sweet")
5. A pleasant finish with little in the way of tannins or strong
flavors and smells of any kind.

Here are some other things that I like which may help in finding
something else. I like Glenmorangie 10 and Ardbeg 10 Scotch Whisky. I
enjoy Jameson's Irish, ice cold Seagrams 7 Crown, and Old Overholt
Whiskeys. I like a "good" sake and despise poor sake. Takara Plum is
OK, if a little close to the "cloying" end of sweet.

All of the wines I've tried recently were at the reccomendation of
various wine shop employees when I described my tastes. Obviously they
were all uncaring nitwits who just wanted to unload some crap on me
that they couldn't sell any other way.

So, does anyone have any reccomendations that more or less fit my
tastes as stated, and cost less than US $20 a bottle?

wrote in news:1141903297.239178.14080
@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:

About six years ago, I decided to try some wines from the local shop
over a 3 month period, and apparently I had stellar luck picking them,
because they were all quite good. The problem is that I can't remember
what they were except that most were red. Also, I haven't had any wine
since until recently.

Fast forward to this year and last fall. I Have tried several wines in
the past six months which were all quite horrible. I tried two
shiraz's, three zinfandels, two cabernets, a pinot grigio, a pinot
grigio/chardonnay mix, two chardonnays and a merlot. Every single one
was simply putrid, not one iota sweet, and tasted like vinegar mixed
with century old cigarette ashes.

The only wine I know of that I actually like is Kreusch's Zeller
Schwarze Katz, which one of my friends has kept in stock since before
the incidents six years ago. Also, I have had Zeller Schwarze Katz off
and on for the past ten years, so it doesn't really bear on the
current
discussion except to serve as an example of my tastes.

I describe my preferences in a wine thusly:
1. Nose with mostly scents recognizable as from the grapes, not the
casks.
2. Medium body.
3. Just noticeably sweet but not cloyingly so.
4. Medium strength palate with mild tannins and just a little
spiritiness, or none.
5. Absolutley no strong "savory" tastes in the palate. (the word
"savory"
defined as when it is contrasted with the word "sweet")
5. A pleasant finish with little in the way of tannins or strong
flavors and smells of any kind.

Here are some other things that I like which may help in finding
something else. I like Glenmorangie 10 and Ardbeg 10 Scotch Whisky. I
enjoy Jameson's Irish, ice cold Seagrams 7 Crown, and Old Overholt
Whiskeys. I like a "good" sake and despise poor sake. Takara Plum is
OK, if a little close to the "cloying" end of sweet.

All of the wines I've tried recently were at the reccomendation of
various wine shop employees when I described my tastes. Obviously they
were all uncaring nitwits who just wanted to unload some crap on me
that they couldn't sell any other way.

So, does anyone have any reccomendations that more or less fit my
tastes as stated, and cost less than US $20 a bottle?



I would guess that you might like some Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais (maybe
the best bet actually try a Morgon or a Fluerie) If Bordeaux St Emilion
but it is Merlot based though the grape normally shows through. You
might also like Loire Valley reds and some of the Northern Italians such
as Dulcetto d'Alba. Good luck

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

skrev i melding
ups.com...

The only wine I know of that I actually like is Kreusch's Zeller
Schwarze Katz, which one of my friends has kept in stock since before
the incidents six years ago. Also, I have had Zeller Schwarze Katz off
and on for the past ten years, so it doesn't really bear on the current
discussion except to serve as an example of my tastes.

Ah, Zeller Schwarze Katz! Well, then you should probably try something
better from the Mosel.
Look for a slender green bottle from Germany with the words "Riesling" and
"Spatlese" on it, and without the word "trocken"... :-)
You should be able to find something real good for 15-20USD, and if you
submit a list of what is available to you locally, I'm sure someone here
could give pretty good advice as to what to buy!
Anders

"Anders Tørneskog" wrote in
:

Look for a slender green bottle from Germany with the words "Riesling"
and "Spatlese" on it, and without the word "trocken"... :-)
You should be able to find something real good for 15-20USD, and if
you submit a list of what is available to you locally, I'm sure
someone here could give pretty good advice as to what to buy!
Anders

Terry Theise imports the wines from Selbach-Oster into the U.S. and I have
enjoyed a lot both the Kabinett and the Spatlese version of Zeltinger
Schlossberg vineyard in 2004. The Kabinett I found a truly mineral and deep
wine, that gives a great mouthfeel with a crisp acidity with just the right
amount of rs to be enjoyed as an aperitif. The Spatlese has more of
everything.


Wine-Searcher shows 30 entries for Selbach-Oster Zeltinger wines across the
U.S.

Best,

S.

Joseph Coulter wrote:
wrote in news:1141903297.239178.14080
@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:

About six years ago, I decided to try some wines from the local shop
over a 3 month period, and apparently I had stellar luck picking them,
because they were all quite good. The problem is that I can't remember
what they were except that most were red. Also, I haven't had any wine
since until recently.

Fast forward to this year and last fall. I Have tried several wines in
the past six months which were all quite horrible. I tried two
shiraz's, three zinfandels, two cabernets, a pinot grigio, a pinot
grigio/chardonnay mix, two chardonnays and a merlot. Every single one
was simply putrid, not one iota sweet, and tasted like vinegar mixed
with century old cigarette ashes.

The only wine I know of that I actually like is Kreusch's Zeller
Schwarze Katz, which one of my friends has kept in stock since before
the incidents six years ago. Also, I have had Zeller Schwarze Katz off
and on for the past ten years, so it doesn't really bear on the
current
discussion except to serve as an example of my tastes.

I describe my preferences in a wine thusly:
1. Nose with mostly scents recognizable as from the grapes, not the
casks.
2. Medium body.
3. Just noticeably sweet but not cloyingly so.
4. Medium strength palate with mild tannins and just a little
spiritiness, or none.
5. Absolutley no strong "savory" tastes in the palate. (the word
"savory"
defined as when it is contrasted with the word "sweet")
5. A pleasant finish with little in the way of tannins or strong
flavors and smells of any kind.

Here are some other things that I like which may help in finding
something else. I like Glenmorangie 10 and Ardbeg 10 Scotch Whisky. I
enjoy Jameson's Irish, ice cold Seagrams 7 Crown, and Old Overholt
Whiskeys. I like a "good" sake and despise poor sake. Takara Plum is
OK, if a little close to the "cloying" end of sweet.

All of the wines I've tried recently were at the reccomendation of
various wine shop employees when I described my tastes. Obviously they
were all uncaring nitwits who just wanted to unload some crap on me
that they couldn't sell any other way.

So, does anyone have any reccomendations that more or less fit my
tastes as stated, and cost less than US $20 a bottle?



I would guess that you might like some Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais (maybe
the best bet actually try a Morgon or a Fluerie) If Bordeaux St Emilion
but it is Merlot based though the grape normally shows through. You
might also like Loire Valley reds and some of the Northern Italians such
as Dulcetto d'Alba. Good luck

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

Is the Louis Jadot Fleurie Beaujolais Red Burgundy VI a good choice?

"Bill J." wrote in news:1141992691.940224.285020
@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:


Joseph Coulter wrote:
wrote in news:1141903297.239178.14080
@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com:

About six years ago, I decided to try some wines from the local
shop
over a 3 month period, and apparently I had stellar luck picking
them,
because they were all quite good. The problem is that I can't
remember
what they were except that most were red. Also, I haven't had any
wine
since until recently.

Fast forward to this year and last fall. I Have tried several wines
in
the past six months which were all quite horrible. I tried two
shiraz's, three zinfandels, two cabernets, a pinot grigio, a pinot
grigio/chardonnay mix, two chardonnays and a merlot. Every single
one
was simply putrid, not one iota sweet, and tasted like vinegar
mixed
with century old cigarette ashes.

The only wine I know of that I actually like is Kreusch's Zeller
Schwarze Katz, which one of my friends has kept in stock since
before
the incidents six years ago. Also, I have had Zeller Schwarze Katz
off
and on for the past ten years, so it doesn't really bear on the
current
discussion except to serve as an example of my tastes.

I describe my preferences in a wine thusly:
1. Nose with mostly scents recognizable as from the grapes, not
the
casks.
2. Medium body.
3. Just noticeably sweet but not cloyingly so.
4. Medium strength palate with mild tannins and just a little
spiritiness, or none.
5. Absolutley no strong "savory" tastes in the palate. (the word
"savory"
defined as when it is contrasted with the word "sweet")
5. A pleasant finish with little in the way of tannins or strong
flavors and smells of any kind.

Here are some other things that I like which may help in finding
something else. I like Glenmorangie 10 and Ardbeg 10 Scotch Whisky.
I
enjoy Jameson's Irish, ice cold Seagrams 7 Crown, and Old Overholt
Whiskeys. I like a "good" sake and despise poor sake. Takara Plum
is
OK, if a little close to the "cloying" end of sweet.

All of the wines I've tried recently were at the reccomendation of
various wine shop employees when I described my tastes. Obviously
they
were all uncaring nitwits who just wanted to unload some crap on me
that they couldn't sell any other way.

So, does anyone have any reccomendations that more or less fit my
tastes as stated, and cost less than US $20 a bottle?



I would guess that you might like some Pinot Noir, cru Beaujolais
(maybe
the best bet actually try a Morgon or a Fluerie) If Bordeaux St
Emilion
but it is Merlot based though the grape normally shows through. You
might also like Loire Valley reds and some of the Northern Italians
such
as Dulcetto d'Alba. Good luck

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

Is the Louis Jadot Fleurie Beaujolais Red Burgundy VI a good choice?



Yes, Beaujolais is marketed as a burgundy but is a separate grape
(gamay) from Pinot Noir.Jadot is a good source.

--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/

skrev i melding
oups.com...

Here, we have both the Sa Prum Mosel Riesling, and the Graff Graacher
Himmelreich Spatlese Imp Riesling.

SA Prüm is a reliable, pretty big producer for Mosel. Raimund Prüm, the
owner, is serious about his business like many others there and makes quite
good wine at times. I don't rank him with the very top however, but he is
good.

Graff is unknown to me.

Anders