It seems that we now get routine stories comparing booze to
illegal drugs. In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze (e.g. even are far
back as Nancy's "Just Say No" campaign it was "Just Say No to
drink and drugs".

+ + + + + +
One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

Dail Mail, Weds., 2006-01-11, Page 25
By Stephanie Condron

ONE in every four adults has a drink problem, a charity claimed
last night.

More than eight million are drinking more than is good for them
and it is affecting everything from their mental state to their
physical health, according to Turning Point.

The charity has compiled a report of Department of Health
figures to try to convince the Government to spend more on
preventing and treating alcoholism.

They found that more than 150,000 people are admitted to
hospital every year because of alcohol-related problems and
22,000 die.

Liver disease is the biggest killer, with accidents and fights
also claiming lives.

Alcohol is increasingly taking a toll on the young with many of
those addicted aged under 30 having developed a taste in their
teens.

'These figures tell the story of a country in the grip of a
drink problem,' said Lord Victor Adebowale, chief executive of
Turning Point.

'I am asking the Government to acknowledge the alcohol challenge
in this country.

'Alcohol is a killer and a social ill on a par with many illegal
drugs. Teenagers should be educated in binge-drinking as many
grow up not knowing what a normal drink is.

'Our culture glorifies excessive drinking. I think the drinks
industry and pubs should be held accountable.'

The report comes weeks after 24-hour drinking was introduced to
Britain.

Meanwhile, three times as many people are dying from
drink-related problems a year compared with those killed by
illegal drugs.

And the crime and ill-health caused by alcohol is costing the
country £20billion a year.

Alcohol can cause liver disease, depression, heart problems, gut
and circulation illnesses and is the fifth biggest killer in
Britain.

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick
drinking compared with £500million a year which aims to helps
drug addicts cure their dependency.

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick drinking
compared with £500million a year which aims to helps drug addicts cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell
*Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:50:39 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick drinking
compared with £500million a year which aims to helps drug addicts
cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/


Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:02:00 +0000, David Raynes wrote:

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell *Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006
09:50:39 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick
drinking compared with £500million a year which aims to helps drug
addicts cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/


Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

I meant drug addicts.

Nice to see you outside u.p.d and crossposting!

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell
*Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:15:12 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:02:00 +0000, David Raynes wrote:

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell *Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006
09:50:39 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick
drinking compared with £500million a year which aims to helps
drug
addicts cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/


Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

I meant drug addicts.

Nice to see you outside u.p.d and crossposting!
I don't propose to make a habit of it!

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:21:00 +0000, David Raynes wrote:

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell *Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006
10:15:12 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:02:00 +0000, David Raynes wrote:

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell *Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006
09:50:39 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick
drinking compared with £500million a year which aims to
helps
drug
addicts cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/


Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

I meant drug addicts.

Nice to see you outside u.p.d and crossposting!

I don't propose to make a habit of it!

Please do - they're not all lunatics and there are some interesting
discussions taking place, one example is that programme about satanic
abuse that was on BBC1 last night.

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/

David Raynes wrote:

In article ,
(Phil Stovell) wrote:

*From:* Phil Stovell
*Date:* Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:50:39 +0000

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:41:33 +0000, Jasbird wrote:

Yet just £95million a year is spent helping alcoholics kick drinking
compared with £500million a year which aims to helps drug addicts
cure
their dependency.

How many millions are spent chasing and incarcerating them?

--
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

Save Gales Brewery
http://www.savegales.org.uk/


Exactly, the cost of dealing with drunkenness is huge

precisely why people need the *choice* of a better intoxicant. cannabis
is one such.

b
--
citizen, patriot, stoner

Marijuana: it's nowhere near as scary as they want you to think.
truth: the Anti-drugwar http://www.briancbennett.com

Nothing will ever change if we don't stand up for ourselves:
http://cannabisconsumers.org

"Cops say legalize drugs" ask them why:
http://www.leap.cc

Jasbird,
Be aware that the subscribers to alt.food.wine do not take kindly to
temperance lectures, and we also look askance at people who cross-post
which is usually a sign of "trolling". Many afw regulars have likely
added you to their "killfile" for that reason.

Dan-O (I will say no more)

Jasbird wrote:
It seems that we now get routine stories comparing booze to
illegal drugs. In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze (e.g. even are far
back as Nancy's "Just Say No" campaign it was "Just Say No to
drink and drugs".

+ + + + + +
One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

Dail Mail, Weds., 2006-01-11, Page 25
By Stephanie Condron

One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

So do I - getting enough of the good stuff at a fair price.

I am reminded of the old crack that work is the curse of the drinking
classes.


Tim Hartley

"Jasbird" wrote in message
...
It seems that we now get routine stories comparing booze to
illegal drugs. In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze (e.g. even are far
back as Nancy's "Just Say No" campaign it was "Just Say No to
drink and drugs".

+ + + + + +
One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

Well, I sure have a problem with drink.
It's too bloody expensive !


--
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.

'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

Jasbird wrote:
... In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze ...

What? Not true here in the States. For most people, there's still a
distinct difference between drugs and alcohol.

Greg G.

In article .com writes:

Jasbird wrote:
... In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze ...

What? Not true here in the States. For most people, there's still a
distinct difference between drugs and alcohol.

It's a difference only in the minds of those people. Alcohol is not only a
drug, it is a *hard* drug.

-Pete Zakel
)

Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

I wish a robot would get elected president. That way, when he came to
town, we could all take a shot at him and not feel too bad.

On 12 Jan 2006 09:37:35 -0800, "Dan The Man"
wrote:

Jasbird,
Be aware that the subscribers to alt.food.wine do not take kindly to
temperance lectures, and we also look askance at people who cross-post
which is usually a sign of "trolling". Many afw regulars have likely
added you to their "killfile" for that reason.

Then don't read the Daily Mail! I didn't write it and it's not
necessaryly a temperance lecture. The point is that boozing does
cause health problems to a large number of people. That's not my
argument for banning booze as I believe in freedom.

If you want to close your eyes to the world and pretend that
it's not there then go ahead an killfile me. The Daily Mail and
their campaigning (or scare) stories aren't going to go away.

Dan-O (I will say no more)

Jasbird wrote:
It seems that we now get routine stories comparing booze to
illegal drugs. In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze (e.g. even are far
back as Nancy's "Just Say No" campaign it was "Just Say No to
drink and drugs".

+ + + + + +
One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

Dail Mail, Weds., 2006-01-11, Page 25
By Stephanie Condron

In article ,
says...

On 12 Jan 2006 09:37:35 -0800, "Dan The Man"
wrote:

Jasbird,
Be aware that the subscribers to alt.food.wine do not take kindly to
temperance lectures, and we also look askance at people who cross-post
which is usually a sign of "trolling". Many afw regulars have likely
added you to their "killfile" for that reason.

Then don't read the Daily Mail! I didn't write it and it's not
necessaryly a temperance lecture. The point is that boozing does
cause health problems to a large number of people. That's not my
argument for banning booze as I believe in freedom.

If you want to close your eyes to the world and pretend that
it's not there then go ahead an killfile me. The Daily Mail and
their campaigning (or scare) stories aren't going to go away.

Dan-O (I will say no more)

Jasbird wrote:
It seems that we now get routine stories comparing booze to
illegal drugs. In general the same people in favour of banning
drugs are also in favour of banning booze (e.g. even are far
back as Nancy's "Just Say No" campaign it was "Just Say No to
drink and drugs".

+ + + + + +
One in four adults 'has a problem with drink'

Dail Mail, Weds., 2006-01-11, Page 25
By Stephanie Condron

Jasbird,

Regardless of your source of info, Dan was trying to point out that your X-
Posting is not welcome here - regardless of your agenda. We really do not care
what you think and ask that you stop the X-Posting. It is not welcome here.

As for the Daily Mail, many of our subscribers read it, and none saw fit to
post this article here.

Thank you,
Hunt

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:50:43 +0000, Dave J.
wrote:

In within uk.politics.drugs,
'st.helier' wrote:

Jasbird - I don't give a continental f**k what appears in the Daily Mail -
whereever it may be published.

You have been told that cross-posting is akin to "trolling" yet you
continue.

Cross posting between unrelated groups on a subject that has nothing to do
with some or all of them, that is trolling.

Here is a classic case - it looks like a troll; it smells like a troll and
it continues to cross post like a troll.

A cross posting between two drug groups, on the subject of the drug
Ethanol being a problem drug to one in four british people, doesn't look
like or smell like a troll to me...

Dave J.

He is winging about me posting it to news:alt.food.wine

Aparently wine doesn't have any drugs in it because wine is
"food".