Anyone know about the "Frauliebemilch" white wine from the Rhine region of
Germany?

It is a very good everyday white wine that I enjoy immensley after work when
I can sit down and unwind. Anyone else know of this delicious wine?

Fr. Richard+

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Anyone know about the "Frauliebemilch" white wine from the Rhine region of
Germany?

It is a very good everyday white wine that I enjoy immensley after work
when I can sit down and unwind. Anyone else know of this delicious wine?

Fr. Richard+
Hi
It is Liebfraumilch. Mainly based on the Müller-Thurgau grape used for mass
production. The name derives from the vineyards of the Liebfrauenkirche
(Church of our good Lady) in, I think, the city of Mainz in the Rheinhessen
area of Germany.
Anders

Worms not Mainz.
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Anyone know about the "Frauliebemilch" white wine from the Rhine region
of Germany?

It is a very good everyday white wine that I enjoy immensley after work
when I can sit down and unwind. Anyone else know of this delicious wine?

Fr. Richard+
Hi
It is Liebfraumilch. Mainly based on the Müller-Thurgau grape used for
mass production. The name derives from the vineyards of the
Liebfrauenkirche (Church of our good Lady) in, I think, the city of Mainz
in the Rheinhessen area of Germany.
Anders

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Worms not Mainz.
You are right, of course.
Had to check my references - there was a Liebfrauenkirche in Mainz,
destroyed by fire in the 18th century and presently incorporated in the
cathedral there if I've understood it right.
But the name of this wine indeed originated at the Liebfrauenstift of Worms
and was on record in 1744 as the 'famous Lieben Frauen Milch of Worms'.
The wines of today's trading name bear no resemblance to this fame, of
course - but there are drinkable Liebfraumilchs around, the likes of 'Blue
Nun', for instance. A few bucks more may buy you better wines, however.
Anders

Anders Tørneskog wrote:
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Worms not Mainz.
You are right, of course.
Had to check my references - there was a Liebfrauenkirche in Mainz,
destroyed by fire in the 18th century and presently incorporated in the
cathedral there if I've understood it right.
But the name of this wine indeed originated at the Liebfrauenstift of Worms
and was on record in 1744 as the 'famous Lieben Frauen Milch of Worms'.
The wines of today's trading name bear no resemblance to this fame, of
course - but there are drinkable Liebfraumilchs around, the likes of 'Blue
Nun', for instance. A few bucks more may buy you better wines, however.
Anders

The Liebfrauenstift vineyard in Worms is only 26 acres in size. I have
rarely seen the wine from it on sale in the US in the past, but not
recently. The wine might have been better in the past, or tastes may
have changed. However, from the Liebfrauenstift I have tasted and from
the notes oif others, it is rather earthy and not in tune with most
modern tastes. It likely is a bit overpriced, if you can find it at
all, because of the fame of the name. It might be worth tasting once,
but most people are likely to find wines that they like better, and for
as lower price, elsewhere in Germany.

Years ago I bought wines at a store owned by a very old man. He had a
few bottles of pre-WWII Blue Nun Liebfraumilch on display, but not for
sale because they were too old. He always would tell people who asked
about them that the nun pictures were taken off of the label in the
WWII era.

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... The wine might have been better in the past, or tastes may
have changed. However, from the Liebfrauenstift I have tasted and from
the notes oif others, it is rather earthy and not in tune with most
modern tastes. It likely is a bit overpriced, if you can find it at
all, because of the fame of the name. It might be worth tasting once,
but most people are likely to find wines that they like better, and for
as lower price, elsewhere in Germany.

Hi
Delved deeper into my sources and found that the "Weingut P.J. Valckenberg"
actually makes good wine from the Liebfrauenstift-Kirchenstück vineyard,
have a look at the church, monastery and vines at
http://www.valckenberg.com/
Prices are not at all high, in the 6-10Euro range (the 2004 Auslese was
16Euro and received a measly 74 points - avoid!)
The best of the last 3 vintages seemed to be the dry Spätleses (83, 86 and
82 points= very good to excellent)
The other producers of the area don't seem to reach that level, however.
Anders

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... The wine might have been better in the past, or tastes may
have changed. However, from the Liebfrauenstift I have tasted and from
the notes oif others, it is rather earthy and not in tune with most
modern tastes. It likely is a bit overpriced, if you can find it at
all, because of the fame of the name. It might be worth tasting once,
but most people are likely to find wines that they like better, and for
as lower price, elsewhere in Germany.

Hi
Delved deeper into my sources and found that the "Weingut P.J. Valckenberg"
actually makes good wine from the Liebfrauenstift-Kirchenstück vineyard,
have a look at the church, monastery and vines at
http://www.valckenberg.com/
Prices are not at all high, in the 6-10Euro range (the 2004 Auslese was
16Euro and received a measly 74 points - avoid!)

Now I remember that Valckenberg made the Liebfrauenstift that I tasted
in the distant past. A regional importer carried Valckenberg wines, and
imported a bit of the Liebfrauenstift a time or two. This must have
been about 20 years ago. I either tasted a spatlese or auslese - I am
not certain. Anyway, with so many outstanding German wines easily
available, I do not think I will go to special effort to find
Liebfrauenstift again. Of course if I just happen to find it in a
store, I might try a bottle, since it has been so long since I tasted
it.
The best of the last 3 vintages seemed to be the dry Spätleses (83, 86 and
82 points= very good to excellent)
The other producers of the area don't seem to reach that level, however.
Anders