Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and, of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full and mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper shelves, and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now, how the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full case, in the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that I can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise labeling each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting by region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to drink" at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each "cell"? In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles, and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker to reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial."

Congratulations on your new cellar! I have 2 Eurocaves (260 model) and have
the same frustration that you are now experiencing. Over the course of a
couple of years, I have finally found a decent system that works for me....
The top of one unit gets champagne and sparkling wines (2 shelves), the
middle gets everyday white wines (2 shelves) and everyday red wines (2
shelves). Below this I put stuff that needs some time, but not a lot of it
(2-5 year range) and pull it up as needed. These also work for special
occasion wines. The very bottom holds magnums. The other unit is
exclusively used for longer term (Bordeaux, Barolo, etc.) stuff and is
arranged in no particular order.

As to software, we drink wine just about everyday and so managing it to a
specific location has proved to be difficult. (If the computer happens to
be right next to the cooler, that might be a different story). I use
Cellar! software (http://www.cellarwinesoftware.com/) to manage my
inventory, but keep it to Eurocave 1 or Eurocave 2 only.

Again, this works for me. Hopefully you will find a solution that works for
your needs.

Cheers,
Gary

In article ,
says...

Congratulations on your new cellar! I have 2 Eurocaves (260 model) and have
the same frustration that you are now experiencing. Over the course of a
couple of years, I have finally found a decent system that works for me....
The top of one unit gets champagne and sparkling wines (2 shelves), the
middle gets everyday white wines (2 shelves) and everyday red wines (2
shelves). Below this I put stuff that needs some time, but not a lot of it
(2-5 year range) and pull it up as needed. These also work for special
occasion wines. The very bottom holds magnums. The other unit is
exclusively used for longer term (Bordeaux, Barolo, etc.) stuff and is
arranged in no particular order.

As to software, we drink wine just about everyday and so managing it to a
specific location has proved to be difficult. (If the computer happens to
be right next to the cooler, that might be a different story). I use
Cellar! software (http://www.cellarwinesoftware.com/) to manage my
inventory, but keep it to Eurocave 1 or Eurocave 2 only.

Again, this works for me. Hopefully you will find a solution that works for
your needs.

Cheers,
Gary

To take a little tangent, because of the type of storage mentioned in the
original post, one method of maintaining the d'base for me is to use the
bottle neck tags (I realise that the type of storage originally mentioned,
precludes these), and stack them on a counter for later logging-out in the
d'base. I've just added a wireless g network, so the laptop should work in the
cellar (damned, I wish I'd run Cat-5, when I built it!!!), so maybe I can just
log the stuff out, as I take it upstairs. Until I try that, and migrate my
d'base to laptop, the stack of tags works well to clear wine from the
computer.

Hunt

"CigarLawyer" wrote in message
...
Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own
model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and, of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full and
mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper shelves,
and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now, how
the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full case, in
the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that I
can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise labeling
each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting by
region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to drink"
at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a
reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each "cell"?
In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles, and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker to
reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely
ceremonial."

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you. How old are
you, and how much time can you wait for cellar wines to come around?

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you. How old are
you, and how much time can you wait for cellar wines to come around?

I'm about 40, and I plan on buying and drinking accordingly. I don't invest in
1st growths, but I do have a few cases of "super seconds" from 2000 (Cos
d'Estoturnel, etc.)

Thanks!

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial."

I am 47 and still bought 2000 bordeaux futures....

"Rich R" wrote in message
. ..

"CigarLawyer" wrote in message
...
Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own
model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and,
of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full
and
mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper
shelves,
and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now, how
the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full case,
in
the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that I
can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise
labeling
each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting by
region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to
drink"
at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a
reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each
"cell"?
In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles, and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker
to
reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely
ceremonial."

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you. How old
are
you, and how much time can you wait for cellar wines to come around?

I order my wines horizontally by region and vertically by
drinkability/price.

So bottom left of my 100-ish wine rack is young Silver Oak from Califorinia
as I should be drinking this in about 5 years. The higher up you go the
earlier the wine should be drunk - which is also generally the cheaper
wines.

Bottom right are 3 1997 Grange's and a few South African Cabs and Shiraz's
that can go for another 5-10yrs. Top right is good old Penfolds £7 bottles
amongst some cheaper NZ SB's.

There is no real order to the regions, they just happen to go:

Americas | Italy | France | Spain | South Africa+AUS+NZ

---------

It works quite well in that if I'm just pulling out something for a quick
little drinkie, then I'll look towards the top shelves and if I'm having a
nice dinner or feel like a better wine then I'll look to the bottom of the
rack. Works for me.

"CigarLawyer" wrote in message
...
Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own
model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and, of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full and
mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper shelves,
and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now, how
the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full case, in
the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that I
can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise labeling
each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting by
region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to drink"
at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a
reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each "cell"?
In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles, and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker to
reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely
ceremonial."

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you.

So will a 20 year-old wife but that doesn't stop me from dreaming.......
Bi!!

I'm 53 and I'm buying vintage port. Call me an optimist!


"dick" wrote in message
nk.net...
I am 47 and still bought 2000 bordeaux futures....

"Rich R" wrote in message
. ..

"CigarLawyer" wrote in message
...
Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own
model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and,
of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full
and
mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper
shelves,
and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now,
how
the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full
case,
in
the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that
I
can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise
labeling
each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting
by
region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to
drink"
at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a
reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each
"cell"?
In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just
used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles,
and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker
to
reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my
mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely
ceremonial."

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in
your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you. How old
are
you, and how much time can you wait for cellar wines to come around?

I'm 53 and I'm buying vintage port. Call me an optimist!


"dick" wrote in message
nk.net...
I am 47 and still bought 2000 bordeaux futures....

"Rich R" wrote in message
. ..

"CigarLawyer" wrote in message
...
Friends:

I finally put the Koolspace together (I bought the assemble your own
model, and
I highly recommend it for ease of construction, quality of finish and,
of
course, price).

Now I have a 500 bottle cellar that needs filling, and dozens of full
and
mixed
cases to go in it. I put the double and quad magnums on the upper
shelves,
and
the full bordeaux cases on the bottom; that was the easy part. Now,
how
the
heck do I fill the rest of the shelves (each of which hold a full
case,
in
the
"back and forth" configuration) in any sort of logical order, so that
I
can
know "approoximately" what I have, without barcoding or otherwise
labeling
each
bottle top/bottom?

I'm definitely thinking of arranging by vintage, and further sorting
by
region;
trying to "flow" from "needs more aging" at the bottom to "ready to
drink"
at
the top.

Any thoughts? Label the center stile with shelf numbers and have a
reference
sheet for each shelf? Use cellar management software and i.d. each
"cell"?
In
the old place, all of the bottles were stored neck "out", so I just
used
hangtags; in this unit, you can see the bottom of the front bottles,
and
nothing of the rear bottles.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Drop the obvious S*P*A*M-blocker
to
reply
directly.

All the best,

Marc
Marc Goldstone
Paramedic and Attorney Extraordinaire (Both. Really. Just ask my
mom!)
"I don't have to chase ambulances ... I get to ride in them!"
"Sure, I may be in the service of Satan, but my duties are largely
ceremonial."

Your age has a lot to with your cellar. Say, for example. you are in
your
mid 50's,. 2000 bordeaux (the first growths) will out live you. How old
are
you, and how much time can you wait for cellar wines to come around?