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Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are threatened
with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew brought on by
unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine officials warned yesterday.

The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Champagne
and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus, which is
thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm temperatures. Only
Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon region have been spared.

In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently warm
and dry conditions until September...

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Lew

On Jul 11, 2:53 pm, Lew wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are threatened
with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew brought on by
unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine officials warned yesterday.

The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Champagne
and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus, which is
thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm temperatures. Only
Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon region have been spared.

In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently warm
and dry conditions until September...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

--
Lew



YEAHHHHHHHH! Go fungus! Wipe out the F_____ harvest!!!!!

You know that much of the harvest are small farmers. Why would you want
them to struggle? Not a nice thing to wish on any business.

Would you like it if someone suggested all Italian Vineyard should be wiped
out? Hurting all the farmers and winemakers and villages?

I have always supported your free speech and diverse views but this is not
nice.


"UC" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Jul 11, 2:53 pm, Lew wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are threatened
with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew brought on by
unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine officials warned
yesterday.

The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Champagne
and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus, which is
thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm temperatures. Only
Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon region have been
spared.

In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently warm
and dry conditions until September...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

--
Lew



YEAHHHHHHHH! Go fungus! Wipe out the F_____ harvest!!!!!

On Jul 11, 5:36 pm, "Richard Neidich" wrote:
You know that much of the harvest are small farmers. Why would you want
them to struggle? Not a nice thing to wish on any business.

Would you like it if someone suggested all Italian Vineyard should be wiped
out? Hurting all the farmers and winemakers and villages?

I have always supported your free speech and diverse views but this is not
nice.

"UC" wrote in message

ups.com...

On Jul 11, 2:53 pm, Lew wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are threatened
with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew brought on by
unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine officials warned
yesterday.

The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais, Champagne
and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus, which is
thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm temperatures. Only
Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon region have been
spared.

In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently warm
and dry conditions until September...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...2007/07/11/eaw...

--
Lew

YEAHHHHHHHH! Go fungus! Wipe out the F_____ harvest!!!!!



Nothing would make me happier than to see all F_____ wine-making go
extinct.

Nothing would make me happier than to see all F_____ wine-making go
extinct.


Must be a bear drinker. ;-)

UC once again proves that he secretly KNOWS the French make the
world's best wines. What an ass.
The only bright side to this - maybe we will see a return to normalcy
in Bordeaux pricing with the '07 campaign.



In article
wrote:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml
Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are
threatened with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew
brought on by unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine
officials warned yesterday.
The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais,
Champagne and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus,
which is thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm
temperatures. Only Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon
region have been spared.
In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently
warm and dry conditions until September...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml


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On Jul 12, 11:00 am, Mike Tommasi wrote:
Yes and people should not reply, it is one thing to be polemic but
another to rejoice about people's misfortunes based on some arbitrary
national difference.

===

I might mention that this summer is definitely the coldest I can
remember in France (I have beeen here 18 years). Here on the Var coast
the sea is at 17°C, about 6-8° below normal, with daytime air
temperatures rarely above 25°C and evenings dipping below 18°C...

While this is accompanied by sunshine and wind over here, everywhere
else in France temperatures are much lower and there are many storms,
including lots of hail.

Champagne weather is comparable to autumnmn with dark skies and cold
temperatures.

Bordeaux has experienced hailstorms that have destroyed most of the
grapes in many areas.

It has snowed heavily in the Alps, and some mountain passes in Austria
required having chains.





AxisOfBeagles wrote:
UC once again proves that he secretly KNOWS the French make the
world's best wines. What an ass.
The only bright side to this - maybe we will see a return to normalcy
in Bordeaux pricing with the '07 campaign.

In article
wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml
Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are
threatened with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew
brought on by unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine
officials warned yesterday.
The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais,
Champagne and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus,
which is thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm
temperatures. Only Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon
region have been spared.
In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently
warm and dry conditions until September...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml

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While being sympathetic, being polemic myself, I cannot help but reply
with "Global Warming"?

Yes, I know; it was not worthy of me. ;-))
Dee Dee

Dee Dee wrote:

While being sympathetic, being polemic myself, I cannot help but reply
with "Global Warming"?

Dee, assuming that this was a serious comment, let me note that the idea
of global warming doesn't mean a uniform rise in temperatures worldwide.
Rather, it means that the overall temperature of the Earth, measured as
a quantity averaged over the entire surface (including oceans) is going
up at an alarming rate. So, even with this cold French summer, I'll go
on record right now as predicting that 2007 will, when all the data is
tallied, go down as one of the 10 hottest years in recorded history,
joining 2005, 2003, 2001, 2000 and 1998. See a trend here? ;-)

Mark Lipton
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On Jul 12, 11:25 am, Mark Lipton wrote:
Dee Dee wrote:
While being sympathetic, being polemic myself, I cannot help but reply
with "Global Warming"?

Dee, assuming that this was a serious comment, let me note that the idea
of global warming doesn't mean a uniform rise in temperatures worldwide.
Rather, it means that the overall temperature of the Earth, measured as
a quantity averaged over the entire surface (including oceans) is going
up at an alarming rate. So, even with this cold French summer, I'll go
on record right now as predicting that 2007 will, when all the data is
tallied, go down as one of the 10 hottest years in recorded history,
joining 2005, 2003, 2001, 2000 and 1998. See a trend here? ;-)

Mark Lipton
--
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Thanks. I do understand the concept of ebb and flow of earth's
temperature, and that it occurs on earth over millions of years. Or
so geology proves.

However, you missed 1997 & 1999 ;-)

http://greengeneration.blogspot.com/...emisphere.html

Sounds like a safe bet.
Dee Dee

Dee Dee wrote:

However, you missed 1997 & 1999 ;-)

http://greengeneration.blogspot.com/...emisphere.html

Sounds like a safe bet.

Durn! I was hopin' to get you for at least a good bottle of wine. :P

Mark Lipton



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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:00:12 +0200
Mike Tommasi wrote:

Yes and people should not reply, it is one thing to be polemic but
another to rejoice about people's misfortunes based on some arbitrary
national difference.


Indeed. If we had the individual put in permanent Coventry, we would long since
have ceased to have to listen to his bigoted diatribe.

===

I might mention that this summer is definitely the coldest I can
remember in France (I have beeen here 18 years). Here on the Var coast
the sea is at 17°C, about 6-8° below normal, with daytime air
temperatures rarely above 25°C and evenings dipping below 18°C...

While this is accompanied by sunshine and wind over here, everywhere
else in France temperatures are much lower and there are many storms,
including lots of hail.


In Normandy we look with longing at your weather, Mike! After a broiling
April without a drop of water, we had horrendous hail storms. I'm a maple
collector, many of my trees were practically defoliated. Since, it's rained
constantly, with daytime temperatures in the low teens, and often dropping
to single digits at night. We've been keeping the wood stove going. The
trees think it's autumn, many maples colouring up, others just shedding leaves.
Yesterday we had heavy hail again.

Champagne weather is comparable to autumnmn with dark skies and cold
temperatures.

Bordeaux has experienced hailstorms that have destroyed most of the
grapes in many areas.

It has snowed heavily in the Alps, and some mountain passes in Austria
required having chains.


I think it likely that many Loire makers will have no crop at all this year.. It
is an economic nightmare for thousands of small businesses already just
barely making ends meet...

As for pricing, the Bordelais will no doubt declare that the hail has performed
necessary triage after a warm spring and non-existent winter. This combined
with a small harvest will be a perfect excuse to put the prices up.

-E




AxisOfBeagles wrote:
UC once again proves that he secretly KNOWS the French make the
world's best wines. What an ass.
The only bright side to this - maybe we will see a return to normalcy
in Bordeaux pricing with the '07 campaign.



In article
wrote:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml
Mildew attacks French vineyards

By Henry Samuel in Paris
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 11/07/2007

The 2007 vintages in Bordeaux and several other regions are
threatened with disaster as grapevines are hit by a plague of mildew
brought on by unseasonable weather conditions in France, wine
officials warned yesterday.
The harvest of vineyards from Bordeaux, Burgundy, Beaujolais,
Champagne and the Loire have already been wiped out by the fungus,
which is thriving due to unusually high rainfall and warm
temperatures. Only Provence and the southwestern Languedoc-Roussillon
region have been spared.
In many cases, the harvest can only now be saved by consistently
warm and dry conditions until September...


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...007/07/11/eawi
ne111.xml





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Weather in UK is similar to France................dire

we will eat out tonight for the second time in 6/52 and the forecast is dire
with perhaps the Azores high building from the 20th.

we now have outbreaks of potato blight reported from London and it has
spread to tomatoes.

so a glass of NZ SB in the garden tonight.

JT

Mark, for some reason I had heard the calculations for Global warming was
poplations of cities. Of course we all know the polar ice caps at south of
earth are growing.

Population density plays a large role I imagine in warming trends which
explains why ice caps at south of planet are getting larger?

Also, anyone catch that Glaciers on Mars are also starting to get smaller?

If that the case is it human or maybe something else like the Sun is hotter?

Not a scientist..just asking. Its definitly hotter in NC over past few
years. Miserably hotter.


"Mark Lipton" wrote in message
...
Dee Dee wrote:

While being sympathetic, being polemic myself, I cannot help but reply
with "Global Warming"?

Dee, assuming that this was a serious comment, let me note that the idea
of global warming doesn't mean a uniform rise in temperatures worldwide.
Rather, it means that the overall temperature of the Earth, measured as
a quantity averaged over the entire surface (including oceans) is going
up at an alarming rate. So, even with this cold French summer, I'll go
on record right now as predicting that 2007 will, when all the data is
tallied, go down as one of the 10 hottest years in recorded history,
joining 2005, 2003, 2001, 2000 and 1998. See a trend here? ;-)

Mark Lipton
--
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Richard Neidich wrote:
Mark, for some reason I had heard the calculations for Global warming was
poplations of cities. Of course we all know the polar ice caps at south of
earth are growing.

No, Dick. There was a widely reported observation of the thickening of
one Antarctic ice sheet, but overall the glaciers of Antarctica, which
hold something like 1/3 of the total fresh water on Earth are melting at
an alarming rate. The BBC has some good popular science articles on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4471135.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4315968.stm

Concern about this reached a new level of panic when the Larsen B ice
shelf, a *huge* amount of ice, broke off from Antarctica and fell into
the ocean. No one had seen that coming and it revised thinking about
the rate at which glaciers will melt: the melting water from the top of
the ice flows down into the glacier and weakens the structure, so once
the melting starts it keeps accelerating, like a snowball rolling downhill.

Population density plays a large role I imagine in warming trends which
explains why ice caps at south of planet are getting larger?

Population growth plays a large factor, as each human being puts out a
fair amount of CO2, but population density is irrelevant to a global
phenomenon.


Also, anyone catch that Glaciers on Mars are also starting to get smaller?

If that the case is it human or maybe something else like the Sun is hotter?

Not a scientist..just asking. Its definitly hotter in NC over past few
years. Miserably hotter.

There is a lot of evidence that the sun is getting warmer. But the
warming trend seen on Mars is only a small fraction of what we're
experiencing. So, the most likely scenario is that both effects are
happening: the sun's getting warmer and we're making matters worse by
pumping large quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. To me, as a
scientist, the only real difference between the two is one we can do
something about while the other we can't. This summer for us has been
pretty typical in temperature, but fairly dry. We got about 1/4 of the
usual rainfall in June and July isn't make matters any better. The corn
harvest will probably be down as a result, but that's not necessarily a
bad thing.

Mark Lipton
--
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Thanks for clarifying. I refused to watch the Gore movie cause I was not
really in need of sleep. I know its good but I hate documentaries.

Only to be a contrarian since we are closer to the sun that Mars Mars melt
is slower. I also assume and based upon meteorologist I have met with
because of our business that the sun likely plays a larger role than humans
do.

That said I have NO scientific background but know we need to get a handle
on stopping this even if we are or are not the cause. Its damned important
and denial does not solve the issue. I saw a tv article on Foxnews(discount
a little) a guy from Cato a think tank said it is possible that all the anti
polution could have increased the role of global warming.

So in my lifetime I have heard:
-Coffee is bad for turn into it can be good for you
-Margerine is better than butter, not butter is better than Margerine
-Wine is bad for you to drinking in moderation can be great for you
-whats next, if we polute we can save the planet? :-(

That said, my son was accepted at UNC-Chapel Hill and decided on Chemistry
as a major for Medicine. He starts in August. He got an 5 on his AP for
Chemistry, Calculus and Earth Environmental...he really wants medicine. I
have no idea if he can go the distance but he plans on it.

Dick


"Mark Lipton" wrote in message
...
Richard Neidich wrote:
Mark, for some reason I had heard the calculations for Global warming was
poplations of cities. Of course we all know the polar ice caps at south
of
earth are growing.

No, Dick. There was a widely reported observation of the thickening of
one Antarctic ice sheet, but overall the glaciers of Antarctica, which
hold something like 1/3 of the total fresh water on Earth are melting at
an alarming rate. The BBC has some good popular science articles on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4471135.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4315968.stm

Concern about this reached a new level of panic when the Larsen B ice
shelf, a *huge* amount of ice, broke off from Antarctica and fell into
the ocean. No one had seen that coming and it revised thinking about
the rate at which glaciers will melt: the melting water from the top of
the ice flows down into the glacier and weakens the structure, so once
the melting starts it keeps accelerating, like a snowball rolling
downhill.

Population density plays a large role I imagine in warming trends which
explains why ice caps at south of planet are getting larger?

Population growth plays a large factor, as each human being puts out a
fair amount of CO2, but population density is irrelevant to a global
phenomenon.


Also, anyone catch that Glaciers on Mars are also starting to get
smaller?

If that the case is it human or maybe something else like the Sun is
hotter?

Not a scientist..just asking. Its definitly hotter in NC over past few
years. Miserably hotter.

There is a lot of evidence that the sun is getting warmer. But the
warming trend seen on Mars is only a small fraction of what we're
experiencing. So, the most likely scenario is that both effects are
happening: the sun's getting warmer and we're making matters worse by
pumping large quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere. To me, as a
scientist, the only real difference between the two is one we can do
something about while the other we can't. This summer for us has been
pretty typical in temperature, but fairly dry. We got about 1/4 of the
usual rainfall in June and July isn't make matters any better. The corn
harvest will probably be down as a result, but that's not necessarily a
bad thing.

Mark Lipton
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