In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

1996 La Grande Dame-Initial nose of toasted bread and yeasty dough
gave way to apples and pears with a bit of apple pie spice. The wine
kept changing and eventually showed grilled bread and hazelnuts. B+

1983 Trimbach Clos St. Hune Riesling VT-Fermented absolutely bone
dry. Rich and full bodied with notes of limestone and wet slate. A
bit of petrol on the nose but really quite under control and not
offensive. Plenty of white peach and lemon/lime. A

2000 Sine Qua Non "The Boot"- 50% Chardonnay, 25% Viognier and 25%
Rousanne. Really quite interesting, I usually don't go for these
exotic blends but this one grew on me. At first it was very Burgundy-
like with mineral, citrus and pineapple but after a while the other
varietals crept through giving an ever evolving palate with waxy
floral notes and a bit of bitter almond. B+

1990 Chateau Montrose-Very dark purple red with note hint of age. A
bit of rustic funk on the nose at first and a tad edgy on the palate
with a touch of Brett. Opened after an hour showing black fruits,
currants, espresso and some tar. Big brawny tannins this one needs
more time but it does have a rustic charm. A-

1990 Chateau Lafite-More reddish purple than the Montrose. Sleek and
elegant yet quite powerful in a subtle way. Tons of rich, mostly
black fruits yet there was a bit of red fruit peeking through. Cassis
and blackberry with a bit of red raspberry and touch of tobacco all
very well balanced in a smooth package. Smooth tannins and a long
finish. A

1982 Chateau Montelena Estate Cabernet. A bit cloudy in the glass
showing just a hint of brick in the reddish purple color. A bit of
barnyard and Brett on the nose. Still a fair amount of blackberry and
anise notes coming through with an aedge of minerality. Medium to
full bodied on the palate with a fair amount of tannins still showing
a fair amount of grip. The wine was showing a bit of complexity with
black cherry, blackberry and cassis, a bit of bitter chocolate and
espresso on the finish. Still a few more years to go but probably not
much improvement left. B-

1995 Jadot Bonnes Mares-Still youthful looking in the glass with no
signs of age. Dark Burgundy red and fairly thick with a bit of glass
coating glycerin. Nice aroma of mature Burgundy with earthy mushroom,
exotic spice and sweet red cherry notes. Beautiful fruit, a bit of
red dirt mineral flavors, ripe sappy cherry flavors and a core of
acidity made for a well balanced glass of wine. My favorite of the
day. A+

On Apr 30, 3:52 pm, Bi!! wrote:
In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

1996 La Grande Dame-Initial nose of toasted bread and yeasty dough
gave way to apples and pears with a bit of apple pie spice. The wine
kept changing and eventually showed grilled bread and hazelnuts. B+

1983 Trimbach Clos St. Hune Riesling VT-Fermented absolutely bone
dry. Rich and full bodied with notes of limestone and wet slate. A
bit of petrol on the nose but really quite under control and not
offensive. Plenty of white peach and lemon/lime. A

2000 Sine Qua Non "The Boot"- 50% Chardonnay, 25% Viognier and 25%
Rousanne. Really quite interesting, I usually don't go for these
exotic blends but this one grew on me. At first it was very Burgundy-
like with mineral, citrus and pineapple but after a while the other
varietals crept through giving an ever evolving palate with waxy
floral notes and a bit of bitter almond. B+

1990 Chateau Montrose-Very dark purple red with note hint of age. A
bit of rustic funk on the nose at first and a tad edgy on the palate
with a touch of Brett. Opened after an hour showing black fruits,
currants, espresso and some tar. Big brawny tannins this one needs
more time but it does have a rustic charm. A-

1990 Chateau Lafite-More reddish purple than the Montrose. Sleek and
elegant yet quite powerful in a subtle way. Tons of rich, mostly
black fruits yet there was a bit of red fruit peeking through. Cassis
and blackberry with a bit of red raspberry and touch of tobacco all
very well balanced in a smooth package. Smooth tannins and a long
finish. A

1982 Chateau Montelena Estate Cabernet. A bit cloudy in the glass
showing just a hint of brick in the reddish purple color. A bit of
barnyard and Brett on the nose. Still a fair amount of blackberry and
anise notes coming through with an aedge of minerality. Medium to
full bodied on the palate with a fair amount of tannins still showing
a fair amount of grip. The wine was showing a bit of complexity with
black cherry, blackberry and cassis, a bit of bitter chocolate and
espresso on the finish. Still a few more years to go but probably not
much improvement left. B-

1995 Jadot Bonnes Mares-Still youthful looking in the glass with no
signs of age. Dark Burgundy red and fairly thick with a bit of glass
coating glycerin. Nice aroma of mature Burgundy with earthy mushroom,
exotic spice and sweet red cherry notes. Beautiful fruit, a bit of
red dirt mineral flavors, ripe sappy cherry flavors and a core of
acidity made for a well balanced glass of wine. My favorite of the
day. A+

After that lot, I expect you may be feeling slightly fragile??

Judith

On Apr 30, 3:52 pm, Bi!! wrote:
In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)


I forgot to add, many, many congratulations on the new addition to
your family, I have a little grandson, Louis, and I am totally in love
with him, it's so much better being Granny that it was to be Mummy!

Judith

On Apr 30, 11:33 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:52 pm, Bi!! wrote:

In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

I forgot to add, many, many congratulations on the new addition to
your family, I have a little grandson, Louis, and I am totally in love
with him, it's so much better being Granny that it was to be Mummy!

Judith

Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?

Sounds like you and Dick Cheney have lots in common with the stents and the
hunting. Anyone get shot :-)






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On Apr 30, 11:33 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:52 pm, Bi!! wrote:

In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

I forgot to add, many, many congratulations on the new addition to
your family, I have a little grandson, Louis, and I am totally in love
with him, it's so much better being Granny that it was to be Mummy!

Judith

Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?

On Apr 30, 11:50 am, "Richard Neidich" wrote:
Sounds like you and Dick Cheney have lots in common with the stents and the
hunting. Anyone get shot :-)

"Bi!!" wrote in message

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On Apr 30, 11:33 am, "
wrote:
On Apr 30, 3:52 pm, Bi!! wrote:

In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

I forgot to add, many, many congratulations on the new addition to
your family, I have a little grandson, Louis, and I am totally in love
with him, it's so much better being Granny that it was to be Mummy!

Judith

Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Only the turkey.......

Bi!! wrote:

Congrats, Bill! And what a lineup of wines. Wasn't the '90 Montrose one
of RMP's "100 point" wines? Your reaction to it seems a bit less
effusive (but sounds great nonetheless). Regarding the '82 Montelena: I
was just saying the other day that, to me, Ch. Montelena's Cabs are
close to immobile. What I mean by that is that, even with 20+ years of
bottle age, I detect little if any secondary aromas to those wines. To
me, even Randy Dunn's wines develop more complexity than Ch.
Montelena's. Even though you describe some "complexity," it seems to be
more fruit-centered than what I'd term secondary characteristics.

Again, congrats, Bill, and thanks for the wonderful notes,
Mark Lipton



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On 30 Apr 2007 08:53:05 -0700
Bi!! wrote:

Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?- Hide quoted text -

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Only the turkey.......

That's what DC said after the accident.

Congratulations, Bill. Sounds like you honoured the new addition
in fine fashion.

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On Apr 30, 12:08 pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
Bi!! wrote:

Congrats, Bill! And what a lineup of wines. Wasn't the '90 Montrose one
of RMP's "100 point" wines? Your reaction to it seems a bit less
effusive (but sounds great nonetheless). Regarding the '82 Montelena: I
was just saying the other day that, to me, Ch. Montelena's Cabs are
close to immobile. What I mean by that is that, even with 20+ years of
bottle age, I detect little if any secondary aromas to those wines. To
me, even Randy Dunn's wines develop more complexity than Ch.
Montelena's. Even though you describe some "complexity," it seems to be
more fruit-centered than what I'd term secondary characteristics.

Again, congrats, Bill, and thanks for the wonderful notes,
Mark Lipton

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One of the benefits of buying and cellaring wines for many years is
the availability of terrific wines when you just feel like popping
them. RP did give the Montrose 100 pts but I'm not sure if I would
agree with that. It certainly could stand up to another 20 years of
age and I thought it was a bit disjointed and rustic at this point
with a bit more Brett than I care for. I couldn't agree more The
Montelena. You're spot on with the complexity issue. The nuances
were about the fruit but not the typical layering of complexity that
comes with age. The fruit evolved in the glass showing different
nuances but the wine was really one dimentional. It was good but not
great.

On Apr 30, 4:42 pm, Bi!! wrote:
Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?

Goodness me, I was thrown, well not quite thrown, I slid very
gracefully down the horses neck when he suddenly decided, quick as a
flash to eat some lovely green shoots of grass. I had to walk him
until I found a mounting place as I am only 5ft tall and he is an
Arabian Stallion (not mine).

What's wild turkey, is it the same as turkey that is bred in England?

Judith

On Apr 30, 5:08 pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
Bi!! wrote:

Congrats, Bill! And what a lineup of wines. Wasn't the '90 Montrose one
of RMP's "100 point" wines? Your reaction to it seems a bit less
effusive (but sounds great nonetheless). Regarding the '82 Montelena: I
was just saying the other day that, to me, Ch. Montelena's Cabs are
close to immobile. What I mean by that is that, even with 20+ years of
bottle age, I detect little if any secondary aromas to those wines. To
me, even Randy Dunn's wines develop more complexity than Ch.
Montelena's. Even though you describe some "complexity," it seems to be
more fruit-centered than what I'd term secondary characteristics.

I'm really feeling out of my depth on this group as I do not have a
clue about the wines mentioned, is there a group for people like me
who only know a little? I only ask as I don't want to offend any of
you by showing my ignorance as it is obvious I am amongst experts.

Judith

On Apr 30, 10:52�am, Bi!! wrote:
In celebration of the addition of a new grandson to our family I
opened a few bottles yesterday. *Quick recaps follow as grandpa was a
bit too enthusiastic yesterday......:-)

1996 La Grande Dame-Initial nose of toasted bread and yeasty dough
gave way to apples and pears with a bit of apple pie spice. *The wine
kept changing and eventually showed grilled bread and hazelnuts. B+

1983 Trimbach Clos St. Hune Riesling VT-Fermented absolutely bone
dry. *Rich and full bodied with notes of limestone and wet slate. *A
bit of petrol on the nose but really quite under control and not
offensive. *Plenty of white peach and lemon/lime. *A

2000 Sine Qua Non "The Boot"- 50% Chardonnay, 25% Viognier and 25%
Rousanne. *Really quite interesting, I usually don't go for these
exotic blends but this one grew on me. *At first it was very Burgundy-
like with mineral, citrus and pineapple but after a while the other
varietals crept through giving an ever evolving palate with waxy
floral notes and a bit of bitter almond. B+

1990 Chateau Montrose-Very dark purple red with note hint of age. *A
bit of rustic funk on the nose at first and a tad edgy on the palate
with a touch of Brett. *Opened after an hour showing black fruits,
currants, espresso and some tar. *Big brawny tannins this one needs
more time but it does have a rustic charm. A-

1990 Chateau Lafite-More reddish purple than the Montrose. *Sleek and
elegant yet quite powerful in a subtle way. *Tons of rich, mostly
black fruits yet there was a bit of red fruit peeking through. *Cassis
and blackberry with a bit of red raspberry and touch of tobacco all
very well balanced in a smooth package. *Smooth tannins and a long
finish. A

1982 Chateau Montelena Estate Cabernet. *A bit cloudy in the glass
showing just a hint of brick in the reddish purple color. *A bit of
barnyard and Brett on the nose. *Still a fair amount of blackberry and
anise notes coming through with an aedge of minerality. *Medium to
full bodied on the palate with a fair amount of tannins still showing
a fair amount of grip. *The wine was showing a bit of complexity with
black cherry, blackberry and cassis, a bit of bitter chocolate and
espresso on the finish. *Still a few more years to go but probably not
much improvement left. *B-

1995 Jadot Bonnes Mares-Still youthful looking in the glass with no
signs of age. *Dark Burgundy red and fairly thick with a bit of glass
coating glycerin. *Nice aroma of mature Burgundy with earthy mushroom,
exotic spice and sweet red cherry notes. *Beautiful fruit, a bit of
red dirt mineral flavors, ripe sappy cherry flavors and a core of
acidity made for a well balanced glass of wine. *My favorite of the
day. *A+

Thanks for the notes, and congratulations!!!

For many wild turkey is a bird. For some in this group it is probably a
bourbon from Kentucky in the USA.

http://www.wildturkeybourbon.com/

Considering this group you really do need clarification :-)


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On Apr 30, 4:42 pm, Bi!! wrote:
Thanks for your well wishes! Fragile isn't an option... :-) I had
two stents put in three weeks ago, I got thrown and kicked by my horse
last week and I've been wild turkey hunting this past week every
morning in addition to welcoming our newest grandchild. Who's got
time for fragile?

Goodness me, I was thrown, well not quite thrown, I slid very
gracefully down the horses neck when he suddenly decided, quick as a
flash to eat some lovely green shoots of grass. I had to walk him
until I found a mounting place as I am only 5ft tall and he is an
Arabian Stallion (not mine).

What's wild turkey, is it the same as turkey that is bred in England?

Judith

" writes:

On Apr 30, 5:08 pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
Bi!! wrote:

Congrats, Bill! And what a lineup of wines. Wasn't the '90 Montrose one
of RMP's "100 point" wines? Your reaction to it seems a bit less
effusive (but sounds great nonetheless). Regarding the '82 Montelena: I
was just saying the other day that, to me, Ch. Montelena's Cabs are
close to immobile. What I mean by that is that, even with 20+ years of
bottle age, I detect little if any secondary aromas to those wines. To
me, even Randy Dunn's wines develop more complexity than Ch.
Montelena's. Even though you describe some "complexity," it seems to be
more fruit-centered than what I'd term secondary characteristics.

I'm really feeling out of my depth on this group as I do not have a
clue about the wines mentioned, is there a group for people like me
who only know a little? I only ask as I don't want to offend any of
you by showing my ignorance as it is obvious I am amongst experts.

I'm a fairly regular reader here, but not a regular poster.

So as a non-expert let me point out that there are plenty of more
modest wines discussed here (even going as far as the occasional
discussion of the merits or lack thereof of two-buck-chuck, which
personally I'm not willing to drink or buy even though I buy plenty of
under-$10 wine).

Discussions like "favorite Malbec under $15" are also not uncommon
(though I don't think that particular one has come up - anyone?).

Most of the regular posters here seem not to mind ignorance, though
some fur flies when ignorant people claim expertise. But I don't know
of any other public group as useful and interesting as this one for
this particular topic!

So my advice is: stick around. Post questions if you have them
(someone will enjoy answering them). Post opinions about wines you've
drunk. Etc.

wrote:

I'm really feeling out of my depth on this group as I do not have a
clue about the wines mentioned, is there a group for people like me
who only know a little? I only ask as I don't want to offend any of
you by showing my ignorance as it is obvious I am amongst experts.

Judith,
Fear not! You will never offend by being ignorant. In fact, the
questions that you ask will almost certainly spur some excellent
discussions that educate us all. When I first started reading this
group nearly 8 years ago, I knew a lot less about wine than I now do.
This group has been the single most important contributor to my newfound
knowledge (and has also introduced me to quite a few marvelous people to
boot!). My only warning to you is that this group is dangerous to your
pocketbook: you will read about so many wonderful wines (such as are
found in Bill's notes) that you will be inspired to buy more.
Fortunately, though, you will also read about many inexpensive wines
that are very good, too, so you can go broke buying less pricey wines! ;-)

Mark Lipton
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