Selbach-Oster is one of my favorite Mosel producers, and I had a
couple of the Rieslings, tasted over several days and face to face:

2005 Selbach-Oster Bernkasteler Badstube Kabinett
Boy, this is big for Kabinett. I was expecting that from 2005, but
even so was surprised. Peach fruit with a hint of red berries, by day
2 showing more tropical (mango/pineapple). Acidity isn't bad, but this
is very sweet.
A touch of mineral on the finish. For a kabinett a C+, but as a
Riesling a B/B+

2004 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Schlossberg Spatlese
Much more citrusy, lime dominates though there is some green apple.
Actually feels lighter and drier than the Kabinett. Brisk and crisp,
quite enjoyable. B+

2005 Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

2005 Clos LaChance "Ruby Throated" Hummingbird Series Cabernet
Sauvignon (Central Coast)
Sweet red plum and cherry, not especially cabernetish. This isn't
complex, but for the level ($12) it is quite concentrated and long. A
little coffee and oak. Perfect backyard grilling wine, glad to have
it as al fresco weather is finally here. B+/B

2005 La Croix du Roche (Bordeaux Superieur)
Sweet cassis fruit, medium-bodied, maybe a tad short, but a decent QPR
at $6/375. B

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency

If anyone is in the Miami, FL area on May 3, Johannes
Selbach will be here giving us a special tasting of 12 of his 2006 wines. It
will be held at the Crown Wine and Spirits store in Coral Cables from 6-8
PM. He will go through wines from a QBA to two BAs. This will be the first
public tasting in the US

"DaleW" wrote in message
oups.com...
Selbach-Oster is one of my favorite Mosel producers, and I had a
couple of the Rieslings, tasted over several days and face to face:

2005 Selbach-Oster Bernkasteler Badstube Kabinett
Boy, this is big for Kabinett. I was expecting that from 2005, but
even so was surprised. Peach fruit with a hint of red berries, by day
2 showing more tropical (mango/pineapple). Acidity isn't bad, but this
is very sweet.
A touch of mineral on the finish. For a kabinett a C+, but as a
Riesling a B/B+

2004 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Schlossberg Spatlese
Much more citrusy, lime dominates though there is some green apple.
Actually feels lighter and drier than the Kabinett. Brisk and crisp,
quite enjoyable. B+

2005 Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

2005 Clos LaChance "Ruby Throated" Hummingbird Series Cabernet
Sauvignon (Central Coast)
Sweet red plum and cherry, not especially cabernetish. This isn't
complex, but for the level ($12) it is quite concentrated and long. A
little coffee and oak. Perfect backyard grilling wine, glad to have
it as al fresco weather is finally here. B+/B

2005 La Croix du Roche (Bordeaux Superieur)
Sweet cassis fruit, medium-bodied, maybe a tad short, but a decent QPR
at $6/375. B

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency

On Apr 22, 6:18 pm, DaleW wrote:
2005 Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

I am quite surprised that after three nights the wine tasted good
enough to rate an A.

Judith

wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:18 pm, DaleW wrote:

2005 Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-


I am quite surprised that after three nights the wine tasted good
enough to rate an A.

Judith,
Muscadet starts life as a very high-acid wine, which gives it
fantastic longevity. I've had 20-year old Muscadet that showed no hint
of its age (i.e., none of the typical flavors -- nuts, honey, Sherry,
iodine -- that are associated with older white wines). That same
acidity keeps it lively after opening.

Mark Lipton
--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

On Apr 22, 7:58 pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:18 pm, DaleW wrote:

2005 Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

I am quite surprised that after three nights the wine tasted good
enough to rate an A.

Judith,
Muscadet starts life as a very high-acid wine, which gives it
fantastic longevity. I've had 20-year old Muscadet that showed no hint
of its age (i.e., none of the typical flavors -- nuts, honey, Sherry,
iodine -- that are associated with older white wines). That same
acidity keeps it lively after opening.

Mark Lipton
--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

Thanks for that Mark, something new I have learnt.

Judith

On Apr 22, 2:52�pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:18 pm, DaleW wrote:

2005 *Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

I am quite surprised that after three nights the wine tasted good
enough to rate an A.

Judith

You and UC both!

As Professor Lipton says, generally high acid wines perform best over
a few days.

On Apr 22, 2:58�pm, Mark Lipton wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 22, 6:18 pm, DaleW wrote:

2005 *Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

I am quite surprised that after three nights the wine tasted good
enough to rate an A.

Judith,
* Muscadet starts life as a very high-acid wine, which gives it
fantastic longevity. *I've had 20-year old Muscadet that showed no hint
of its age (i.e., none of the typical flavors -- nuts, honey, Sherry,
iodine -- that are associated with older white wines). *That same
acidity keeps it lively after opening.

Mark Lipton
--
alt.food.wine FAQ: *http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

Mark,
I know that you meant this, but for clarity's sake I'll point out that
you are talking about artisanal Muscadet from top producers like Marc
Olliver and the folks at Luneau-Papin. Most negociant/mass market
Muscadet should be drunk very young (if at all). Don't want someone
reading AFW and putting away a case of Sauvion or B&G Muscadet to age!

On Apr 22, 1:35�pm, "sibeer" wrote:
If anyone is in the Miami, FL area on May 3, Johannes
Selbach will be here giving us a special tasting of 12 of his 2006 wines. It
will be held at the Crown Wine and Spirits store in Coral Cables from 6-8
PM. He will go through wines from a QBA to two BAs. This will be the first
public tasting in the US

"DaleW" wrote in message

oups.com...



Selbach-Oster is one of my favorite Mosel producers, and I had a
couple of the Rieslings, tasted over several days and face to face:

2005 Selbach-Oster Bernkasteler Badstube Kabinett
Boy, this is big for Kabinett. I was expecting that from 2005, but
even so was surprised. Peach fruit with a hint of red berries, by day
2 showing more tropical (mango/pineapple). Acidity isn't bad, but this
is very sweet.
A touch of mineral on the finish. For a kabinett a C+, but as a
Riesling a B/B+

2004 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Schlossberg Spatlese
Much more citrusy, lime dominates though there is some *green apple.
Actually feels lighter and drier than the Kabinett. Brisk and crisp,
quite enjoyable. B+

2005 *Pepiere "Clos de Briords" Muscadet
I know this is infanticide, but I really enjoyed this over 3 nights.
Sizzling acidity, mineral and saline notes dominate, but there
actually is a surprising ripeness to the fruit underneath. Just
lovely. A-

2005 Clos LaChance "Ruby Throated" Hummingbird Series Cabernet
Sauvignon (Central Coast)
Sweet red plum and cherry, not especially cabernetish. This isn't
complex, but for the level ($12) it is quite concentrated and *long. A
little coffee and oak. *Perfect backyard grilling wine, glad to have
it as al fresco weather is finally here. B+/B

2005 La Croix du Roche (Bordeaux Superieur)
Sweet cassis fruit, medium-bodied, maybe a tad short, but a decent QPR
at $6/375. B

Grade disclaimer: I'm a very easy grader, basically A is an excellent
wine, B a good wine, C mediocre. Anything below C means I wouldn't
drink at a party where it was only choice. Furthermore, I offer no
promises of objectivity, accuracy, and certainly not of consistency- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Too far for me, but I sincerely hope you report on this!

DaleW wrote:

Mark,
I know that you meant this, but for clarity's sake I'll point out that
you are talking about artisanal Muscadet from top producers like Marc
Olliver and the folks at Luneau-Papin. Most negociant/mass market
Muscadet should be drunk very young (if at all). Don't want someone
reading AFW and putting away a case of Sauvion or B&G Muscadet to age!

Very good point, Dale. As I only drink two producers' Muscadets
(Ollivier and Luneau-Papin) I have a very narrow view of what Muscadet
is. OTOH, if I were presented with B&G Muscadet, I would likely take
the advice the Pythons offered in their "Australian wine tasting" skit:
"This is a wine for laying down... and avoiding!"

Mark Lipton


--
alt.food.wine FAQ: http://winefaq.hostexcellence.com

"Mark Lipton" wrote in message
m...
DaleW wrote:

Mark,
I know that you meant this, but for clarity's sake I'll point out that
you are talking about artisanal Muscadet from top producers like Marc
Olliver and the folks at Luneau-Papin. Most negociant/mass market
Muscadet should be drunk very young (if at all). Don't want someone
reading AFW and putting away a case of Sauvion or B&G Muscadet to age!

Very good point, Dale. As I only drink two producers' Muscadets
(Ollivier and Luneau-Papin) I have a very narrow view of what Muscadet
is. OTOH, if I were presented with B&G Muscadet, I would likely take
the advice the Pythons offered in their "Australian wine tasting" skit:
"This is a wine for laying down... and avoiding!"

I found out the hard way last summer when (in a hurry) I grabbed what I
thought was an artisanal one off the shelf in the wine shop. It wasn't even
"sur lie":-((
Graham

On Apr 23, 10:19?am, "graham" wrote:
?It wasn't even "sur lie":-((

And that made Graham surly.

"DaleW" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Apr 23, 10:19?am, "graham" wrote:
?It wasn't even "sur lie":-((

And that made Graham surly.


G

Well it gave another meaning to "sour grapes":-)

Graham

On Apr 23, 6:47 pm, DaleW wrote:
On Apr 23, 10:19?am, "graham" wrote:
?It wasn't even "sur lie":-((

And that made Graham surly.

Tee Hee!!
Judith