I don't expect the wine to taste any better but I need to get some wine glasses anyway so I started trying to buy some ISO shaped glasses.

Info if you're not familiar with it:
http://www.diwinetaste.com/dwt/en2002113.php

It's just a shape that the ISO decided was good and it looks fine to me. But I have yet to find a source in the USA. All are in Europe and shipping glass is really expensive, etc.

Haven't found anything in any stores here or online.

Just in case some of you wine buffs know of a good source, please pass it along.

Regards, Rob

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Hello, rob!
You wrote on Sat, 14 Oct 2006 16:15:08 GMT:

r Info if you're not familiar with it:
r http://www.diwinetaste.com/dwt/en2002113.php

r It's just a shape that the ISO decided was good and it looks
r fine to me. But I have yet to find a source in the USA. All
r are in Europe and shipping glass is really expensive, etc.

Haven't the ISO people got more useful things to do? The
reaction of many, including me, would be avoid officially
approved glasses like the plague!

r Haven't found anything in any stores here or online.

r Just in case some of you wine buffs know of a good source,
r please pass it along.

r Regards, Rob


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
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Try searching on Froogle for "INAO glass" instead of ISO and I think
you'll find what you're looking for.

You should be aware that they are very small for drinking, and the
design was chosen ONLY for standardization of judging small samples,
I've never heard anyone say they are best glass for drinking. If
anything they accentuate any flaws. In my personal opinion you'd be far
better off with a midsized (12-14 oz) wine stem. You might search most
recent FAQ post for ideas re makers. But if you're set on ISO/INAO
glasses many stores carry them.

Hello, DaleW!
You wrote on 14 Oct 2006 11:22:33 -0700:

D Try searching on Froogle for "INAO glass" instead of ISO and
D I think you'll find what you're looking for.

D You should be aware that they are very small for drinking,
D and the design was chosen ONLY for standardization of
D judging small samples, I've never heard anyone say they are
D best glass for drinking. If anything they accentuate any
D flaws. In my personal opinion you'd be far better off with a
D midsized (12-14 oz) wine stem. You might search most recent
D FAQ post for ideas re makers. But if you're set on ISO/INAO
D glasses many stores carry them.

Thanks Dale! At least there is some point in ISO glasses if they
are for *judging* wine but I still suspect any decisions by
beer-drinking Brussels (?) bureaucrats!


James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

Mike Tommasi wrote:
. They are
intended to serve as a common standard for analytical tastings. For
enjoyment, avoid them.

At a WSET (Wine & Spirit Educational Trust) - the uk wine trade training
body (Which I was doing for fun, not as a member of the trade) - we tasted a
range of wines in a range of glasses, the difference between glasses of the
same wine was astonishing. Quite different characterisics were clear on both
nose and palate. The iso glass design does what it is intended to do : it
standardises the process and makes comparisons less subjective.

If you have never done it do try! - instead of tasting 6 wines, choose 1
very good wine whose characteristics you know well and taste it in 6 glasses
of different size and shape!

The iso glasses are not intended as "drinking glasses" but as "tasting
glasses" - for drinking choose the glass shape that best suits the wine!

pk

Mike Tommasi wrote:
Get a set of Spiegelau Authentis number 2 or 3 instead.



Mike,
which are the 2 & 3? I never see them marketed by number in US.

I have a variety of glasses. I like Spiegelau Bordeaux/Burgundy stems
for serious reds (besides Bordeaux I use the Bdx stems for those grapes
from CA as well as Syrah, the Burgs I use for Pinot Noir and other more
aromatically driven grapes such as Nebbiolo). But for everyday use I
found it a bit of overkill for a simple Cotes du Rhone or Zinfandel,
and even for say a satellite Bordeaux I hated the handwashing (or
worrying that dog would knock over glass from coffee table, or someone
would bump table with drying glasses)

I found I preferred the Riedel (Vinum?) Zinfandel/Chianti glass. But
still hated the handwashing, and eventually all the Chianti stems got
broken. My happy medium was when I got some Schott Zwiesel Tritan
(titanium instead of lead) Chardonnay glasses. 16 oz bowl (slightly
bigger than the Zin/Chianti) is big enough for most reds, but does well
with most whites. And because it's titanium dishwasher-able. Not
totally unbreakable but never in dishwasher so far (and no etching).

I also had gotten the SZ Tritan Diva Bordeaux stems (both gifts), but
they are ridiculously sized- over a foot tall with maybe a 30+ ounce
bowl. This birthday Betsy got me 4 Bdx stems from a different SZ
titanium line, the Forte. More reasonable, bowl is big but not
ridiculous (22 oz?) , maybe 9 inches tall. The stem itself is a little
short so not as attractive as some, and maybe the rim is just a tad
thicker than my regular Spiegelaus and Riedels. But nice overall, and
dishwasherable! So I now use these when we have a big red. For real
wine parties or when opening a really serious wine I still prefer the
lead stems - and spending hours washing by hand later in the case of
parties.

Sir, thanks for the info but I've found plenty of INAO stuff, I'm looking for ISO. And I've never found it in any store or at any US location.

DaleW wrote:

Try searching on Froogle for "INAO glass" instead of ISO and I think
you'll find what you're looking for.

You should be aware that they are very small for drinking, and the
design was chosen ONLY for standardization of judging small samples,
I've never heard anyone say they are best glass for drinking. If
anything they accentuate any flaws. In my personal opinion you'd be far
better off with a midsized (12-14 oz) wine stem. You might search most
recent FAQ post for ideas re makers. But if you're set on ISO/INAO
glasses many stores carry them.

It's the same glass. There is no difference. 7.5 oz, designed for
tasting.

rob wrote:
Sir, thanks for the info but I've found plenty of INAO stuff, I'm looking for ISO. And I've never found it in any store or at any US location.

DaleW wrote:

Try searching on Froogle for "INAO glass" instead of ISO and I think
you'll find what you're looking for.

You should be aware that they are very small for drinking, and the
design was chosen ONLY for standardization of judging small samples,
I've never heard anyone say they are best glass for drinking. If
anything they accentuate any flaws. In my personal opinion you'd be far
better off with a midsized (12-14 oz) wine stem. You might search most
recent FAQ post for ideas re makers. But if you're set on ISO/INAO
glasses many stores carry them.

rob wrote:

Sir, thanks for the info but I've found plenty of INAO stuff,
I'm looking for ISO.

They're exactly the same. Don't know whether INAO took over ISO
specs or the other way round.

M.

Mike Tommasi wrote:

I would not bother with ISO glasses, they are way too small to
taste most wines, they might be good for botrytis wine tastings.

They're also fit for sherry and most spirits.

M.

On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 20:32:43 +0200, Mike Tommasi
wrote:

I would not bother with ISO glasses, they are way too small to taste
most wines

I presume that is a comment aimed at the 21.5cl glasses. But you can
also get them in 15, 31 and 41cl sizes. As the larger sizes are not
commonly used in judging it takes away some of the point, but it does
mean you can get a reasonably shaped shaped glass from a number of
suppliers should you have breakages.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:08:45 +0200, Michael Pronay
wrote:

rob wrote:

Sir, thanks for the info but I've found plenty of INAO stuff,
I'm looking for ISO.

They're exactly the same. Don't know whether INAO took over ISO
specs or the other way round.

It would be the other way round. ISO very rarely (if ever?) writes
standards - it prefers to adopt existing ones.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Oh, and yes they are often thick, but if you pay more money you can
get nicer ones. Schott Zwiesel make (made) them for example.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher

Steve Slatcher wrote:

Sir, thanks for the info but I've found plenty of INAO stuff,
I'm looking for ISO.

They're exactly the same. Don't know whether INAO took over ISO
specs or the other way round.

It would be the other way round. ISO very rarely (if ever?)
writes standards - it prefers to adopt existing ones.

Thanks for precising.

M.

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:07:35 +0200, Mike Tommasi
wrote:

Sorry Steve but ISO 3591 defines only one size. Manufacturers have
developed other sizes of the same shape, but those are not ISO.

Mmmm. Then there is a lot of misinformation put about by the
suppliers of glassware. Particulalry galling as I mistakenly ordered
15cl "ISO" glasses online once.

--
Steve Slatcher
http://pobox.com/~steve.slatcher