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Ron asked:
Goo hysterically raved: homo pantywaist ronnie, as well as your jamtart-ness. "jamtart-ness"! ooooooo........Goober is so rattled he's inventing new words. Calm down Goober. You can hardly mentor young grasshopper ricky if you are rattled. Just answer the question: what about the ones who manage to reach farm sanctuaries? Goo is admittedly too stupid to understand how life could have positive value for anything at all. Unless the Goober can prove me wrong and explain how life could have positive value for anything, but we know he's not capable of doing that. He's just too stupid to understand or even form an opinion. It's an aspect that he obviously WANTS to be able to discuss, and even more obviously can't even comprehend. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote:
dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You claim to consider me stupid, but in fact you know that I am smarter than you, have a much higher IQ than you, You can't be "smarter" than I am if you can't even understand how life could have positive value for anything, you poor stupid Goober. But you're too stupid to understand that too. There's an obvious consistency about it Goo. And your methods of dealing with these facts which you can't understand yet despise none the less, like by lying, shows even more clearly that you can't understand things that other people like myself can understand and are not threatened by. What I believe is not threatened by the fact that some livestock have lives of positive value. What you/"aras" WANT to believe--and even more want everbody else to believe--most certainly is threatened by it. and have more than ten years more (and more rigorous) education than you. Not in anything that has to do with animals. Your an undegreed, uneducated, semi-literate hillbilly cracker living on a decrepit houseboat in Georgia, ****wit. You don't know anything relevant to animals. Since I was in sixth grade I have known more about farm animals than you will ever know Goo. You will remain ignorant, because of your stupidity, for your entire life. That's not an insult. It's just the way that it is, because it's the way that you want it. The insult is in the fact that you want it this way, so you insult your own self. |
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dh@. wrote in On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote: dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You don't understand that no matter how good their lives might be, as a consumer of them you cannot do any better than repay them for their sacrifice. That is the BEST you can do, and by acting as you do, asserting arbitrarily that *some of them have positive lives* then consuming willy-nilly from the most convenient sources available you simply label yourself a hypocrite. |
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On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:49:12 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote in On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote: dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You don't understand that no matter how good their lives might be, as a consumer of them you cannot do any better than repay them for their sacrifice. That is the BEST you can do, and by acting as you do, asserting arbitrarily that *some of them have positive lives* Amusingly, you asserted it too. The difference is that I do understand it, but you can not. |
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dh@. wrote On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:49:12 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote in On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote: dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You don't understand that no matter how good their lives might be, as a consumer of them you cannot do any better than repay them for their sacrifice. That is the BEST you can do, and by acting as you do, asserting arbitrarily that *some of them have positive lives* Amusingly, you asserted it too. Sure, why not? It's probably true, although as it is the statement is too vague to be meaningful. The difference is that I do understand it, but you can not. The difference is that unlike me, and the rest of the sane people in the world, you think that since some animals might have "positive experiences" that means that you have done something good and admirable by consuming animal products. Virtually everyone recognizes that reasoning as cheap sophistry. Why can't you? |
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:16:35 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:49:12 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote in On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote: dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You don't understand that no matter how good their lives might be, as a consumer of them you cannot do any better than repay them for their sacrifice. That is the BEST you can do, and by acting as you do, asserting arbitrarily that *some of them have positive lives* Amusingly, you asserted it too. Sure, why not? It's probably true, although as it is the statement is too vague to be meaningful. The difference is that I do understand it, but you can not. The difference is that unlike me, and the rest of the sane people in the world, you think that since some animals might have "positive experiences" that means that you have done something good and admirable by consuming animal products. Not necessarily admirable, but I can consider it a good thing to contribute to life of positive value, even for livestock, even though you can't. Virtually everyone recognizes that reasoning as cheap sophistry. It's just a fact that you hate for some reason that I can't even begin to understand, and you certainly can't begin to explain. Why can't you? Because it's not sophistry, it's true. If it were a lie, then I would view it as "virtually everyone" does. But some animals do have lives of positive value --that is true--and I can consider it a good thing even when the animals are livestock. Why can't you? Can you consider it a good thing in regards to any animals? |
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dh@. wrote On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:16:35 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:49:12 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote in On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 Goo wrote: dh explained: Goo is admittedly too stupid No, ****wit. I haven't "admitted" anything to you. You admittedly don't understand how life could have positive value for any farm animals, regardless of quality. You don't understand that no matter how good their lives might be, as a consumer of them you cannot do any better than repay them for their sacrifice. That is the BEST you can do, and by acting as you do, asserting arbitrarily that *some of them have positive lives* Amusingly, you asserted it too. Sure, why not? It's probably true, although as it is the statement is too vague to be meaningful. The difference is that I do understand it, but you can not. The difference is that unlike me, and the rest of the sane people in the world, you think that since some animals might have "positive experiences" that means that you have done something good and admirable by consuming animal products. Not necessarily admirable, but I can consider it a good thing to contribute to life of positive value, even for livestock, even though you can't. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. It's as simple as that, The Logic of the Larder is self-serving sophistry. [..] |
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote Not necessarily admirable, but I can consider it a good thing to contribute to life of positive value, even for livestock, even though you can't. "You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products." "We should feel good if animals are given good treatment." "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life has positive or negative value to the animal." |
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****wit David Harrison, cracker, lied:
On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: ****wit David Harrison, cracker, lied: Not necessarily admirable, but I can consider it a good thing to contribute to life of positive value, even for livestock, even though you can't. "You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products." Dutch is correct: you are not entitled to that. "We should feel good if animals are given good treatment." That's a matter of choice, but if one cares about animal treatment, then one may feel good that they receive good treatment. One may *not* feel good, on behalf of the animals, that the animals existed in the first place. "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life has positive or negative value to the animal." Dutch is correct, again. The basic fact of existence, however, is not a benefit to animals. |
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Dutch wrote: dh@. wrote On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: "You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products." "We should feel good if animals are given good treatment." "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life has positive or negative value to the animal." You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. 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You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. Gee Dutch, that effort must have really strained your brain. Better lay down and let ~jonnie~ massage your head. |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:34:25 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: "You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products." "We should feel good if animals are given good treatment." "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life has positive or negative value to the animal." You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. [...] You proved once again that you had no idea what you were pasting when you pasted the fact that life can have positive value. You had no clue then, you have no clue now, so most likely in another couple of years you still will have no clue. It's one of the many pitifully amusing things about all this. |
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dh@. wrote in message ... On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:34:25 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 01:34:29 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: "You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products." "We should feel good if animals are given good treatment." "The method of husbandry determines whether or not the life has positive or negative value to the animal." You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. [...] You proved once again that you had no idea what you were pasting when you pasted the fact that life can have positive value. You had no clue then, you have no clue now, so most likely in another couple of years you still will have no clue. It's one of the many pitifully amusing things about all this. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:29:00 GMT, "Dutch" wrote:
dh@. wrote in message ... You proved once again that you had no idea what you were pasting when you pasted the fact that life can have positive value. You had no clue then, you have no clue now, so most likely in another couple of years you still will have no clue. It's one of the many pitifully amusing things about all this. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. I can feel satisfaction in contributing to lives of postive value, even for animals raised to be eaten. You can't, because you/"aras" have no clue how it could have. You have no clue what you pasted. |
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dh@. wrote: On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:29:00 GMT, "Dutch" wrote: dh@. wrote in message ... You proved once again that you had no idea what you were pasting when you pasted the fact that life can have positive value. You had no clue then, you have no clue now, so most likely in another couple of years you still will have no clue. It's one of the many pitifully amusing things about all this. You are not morally entitled to feel satisfaction that an animal got to experience life when you consume animal products. I can feel satisfaction in contributing to lives of postive value, even for animals raised to be eaten. Why? By consuming animal products you are not enabling animals to experience life, merely enabling them to experience being farmed. You can't, because you/"aras" have no clue how it could have. You have no clue what you pasted |