Hopefully you looked at all those pictures Usual Subjects posted about
turkeys, showing them packed like sardines.

I also posted pictures, that showed conditions the industry doesn't want
you to see.

Now, what does a real turkey look like? What does he act like? Why did
Benjamin Franklin want the turkey to be our national bird.


Come view http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3100id.html

And you'll see what a real turkey is. A magnificent creature.

And yes, I lived in Southwest South Dakota and Nebraska and saw plenty
of wild turkeys.

Beach Runner

Beach Blunder wrote:
Hopefully you looked at all those pictures Usual Subjects posted about
turkeys, showing them packed like sardines.

They weren't packed like sardines.

I also posted pictures, that showed conditions the industry doesn't want
you to see.

The "industry" doesn't care if you see pics like the ones you linked --
the "industry" abhors abuse just as much as you do. They also know
there's a danger in exposing abusers because idiots like you will
suggest they're the norm rather than isolated.

Now, what does a real turkey look like?

Wild turkeys are real. Domestic turkeys are real. Both are real, dumb ass.

What does he act like?

He acts wiser and far more noble than you do, birdbrain.

Why did
Benjamin Franklin want the turkey to be our national bird.

It was tongue in cheek:
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

Come view http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3100id.html

And you'll see what a real turkey is.

I see what a real turkey is everytime I try to read your rambling posts.

A magnificent creature.

Especially compared with you.

And yes, I lived in Southwest South Dakota and Nebraska and saw plenty
of wild turkeys.

You see one in the mirror.

usual suspect wrote:
Beach Blunder wrote:

Hopefully you looked at all those pictures Usual Subjects posted about
turkeys, showing them packed like sardines.


They weren't packed like sardines.

I also posted pictures, that showed conditions the industry doesn't
want you to see.


The "industry" doesn't care if you see pics like the ones you linked --
the "industry" abhors abuse just as much as you do. They also know
there's a danger in exposing abusers because idiots like you will
suggest they're the norm rather than isolated.

Now, what does a real turkey look like?


Wild turkeys are real. Domestic turkeys are real. Both are real, dumb ass.

What does he act like?


He acts wiser and far more noble than you do, birdbrain.

Why did Benjamin Franklin want the turkey to be our national bird.


It was tongue in cheek:
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

Come view http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3100id.html

And you'll see what a real turkey is.


I see what a real turkey is everytime I try to read your rambling posts.

A magnificent creature.


Especially compared with you.

And yes, I lived in Southwest South Dakota and Nebraska and saw plenty
of wild turkeys.


You see one in the mirror.

The production Turkeys look nothing like the one's in the wild. They've
been modified grossly.

Anyway, what did I ever do to you that you are so mean to me? Hopefully
people can disagree in a reasonable manner. I do so.

Beach Bumbler whined:
Hopefully you looked at all those pictures Usual Subjects posted
about turkeys, showing them packed like sardines.



They weren't packed like sardines.

I also posted pictures, that showed conditions the industry doesn't
want you to see.



The "industry" doesn't care if you see pics like the ones you linked
-- the "industry" abhors abuse just as much as you do. They also know
there's a danger in exposing abusers because idiots like you will
suggest they're the norm rather than isolated.

Now, what does a real turkey look like?



Wild turkeys are real. Domestic turkeys are real. Both are real, dumb
ass.

What does he act like?



He acts wiser and far more noble than you do, birdbrain.

Why did Benjamin Franklin want the turkey to be our national bird.



It was tongue in cheek:
http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

Come view http://www.mbr-pwrc.usgs.gov/id/framlst/i3100id.html

And you'll see what a real turkey is.



I see what a real turkey is everytime I try to read your rambling posts.

A magnificent creature.



Especially compared with you.

And yes, I lived in Southwest South Dakota and Nebraska and saw
plenty of wild turkeys.



You see one in the mirror.


The production Turkeys look nothing like the one's in the wild.

They shouldn't look alike.

They've been modified grossly.

No, they've been bred to produce the parts consumers demand.

Anyway, what did I ever do to you that you are so mean to me?

*playing mock violin*

Review your posting history and see for yourself.

Hopefully people can disagree in a reasonable manner.

You should've tried that earlier.

I do so.

Liar:

You're simply an asshole who deserves to
get his ass kicked.
-- Violent Bob, 23 July 2005: http://tinyurl.com/9k2ml

You're the only one who's responded with threats of violence in this group.

On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:48:17 GMT, Beach Runner wrote:


Anyway, what did I ever do to you that you are so mean to me? Hopefully
people can disagree in a reasonable manner. I do so.


It's apparent you did nothing;
Laugh at Usual and see him in the puny manhood he represents himselsf
as on the internet. He's found his safe cozy niche as an online s--t
disturber.... but only if you give him that satisfaction and high
regard.
All he's doing is playing King of the Pricks on the internet with his
egghead intelligence as his crutch.
You can bet he grew up this way too, whining to his mom at breakfast
about boiling his eggs 30 seconds too long, and at school he probably
learned very fast and painfully to keep his vile mischieviousness to
himself.
Usual regurgitates what he collects online very well but that
shouldn't be equated to him having any status of significance, so
above all take his snipes with a grain of salt - because he won't
stop. He can't control himself. This is probably the only situation he
feels any power in his life and yearns to feed off others intense
attention he's given-in his case, the worse the better.
If Usual was around a millenium earlier he'd have had a job as the
King's lapdog/court jester/right-hand man[hand] jerker.

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Joe wrote:
...
If Usual was around a millenium earlier he'd have had a job as the
King's lapdog/court jester/right-hand man[hand] jerker.

Since you've done nothing to add substance to any discussion here, and
since you've managed only a supremely feeble imitation of doing that
which you accuse me of doing, how does it feel to be the court jester's
bitch?

"Joe" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:48:17 GMT, Beach Runner
wrote:


Anyway, what did I ever do to you that you are so mean to me?
Hopefully
people can disagree in a reasonable manner. I do so.


It's apparent you did nothing;
======================
No, Joe, Boobs stupidity knows no bounds. He invites abuse, not
to respect that wish would be rude of us!


Laugh at Usual and see him in the puny manhood he represents
himselsf
as on the internet. He's found his safe cozy niche as an online
s--t
disturber.... but only if you give him that satisfaction and
high
regard.
All he's doing is playing King of the Pricks on the internet
with his
egghead intelligence as his crutch.
You can bet he grew up this way too, whining to his mom at
breakfast
about boiling his eggs 30 seconds too long, and at school he
probably
learned very fast and painfully to keep his vile
mischieviousness to
himself.
Usual regurgitates what he collects online very well but that
shouldn't be equated to him having any status of significance,
so
above all take his snipes with a grain of salt - because he
won't
stop. He can't control himself. This is probably the only
situation he
feels any power in his life and yearns to feed off others
intense
attention he's given-in his case, the worse the better.
If Usual was around a millenium earlier he'd have had a job as
the
King's lapdog/court jester/right-hand man[hand] jerker.
==========================
And you Joe, have become far less, because all you seem to be
able to do is focus on anything but the topics at hand. Why is
that? Can't back up Boob's stupid rantings? Can't refute what
US says, so instead you have to zero in on the method. Sounds to
me like YOU don't have much of a leg to stand on, and are too
corwardly to address the issues.



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On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:46:05 GMT, "rick" wrote:


because all you seem to be
able to do is focus on anything but the topics at hand. Why is
that? Can't back up Boob's stupid rantings? Can't refute what
US says, so instead you have to zero in on the method. Sounds to
me like YOU don't have much of a leg to stand on, and are too
corwardly to address the issues.



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Hardly coward,lol!.... just not dopey enough to pretend this NG is my
area of expertise-even for arguments sake.... unless I see a sliver
where I can be a fly in the ointment. [re; fruits and veggies!]

Contrary to what you guess-timate, Suspect and Rick, I like going
through your comments and links. I very much like seeing both sides of
an argument- believe it or not.
For the most part I'm not interested in refuting what most folks here
say. More than most NGs you regular folks here give good accounts of
your opinions.
What can I add that will change either sides mind in most topics
presented here since you and others obviously state your cases with
more knowledge than I know about in many areas discussed. That'd be a
silly waste of time for me to do. Some other subjects however I can
ramble on in such a way that'd make U.S and your detailed writings
look like short rhymes.... but not in this NG.

Normally all I do is I browse through topics of moderate interest to
me in NGs and chatrooms and don't add comments-just take in what
others present-of both sides. The extent to which Usual sprinkles vile
comments in his otherwise good commentary can't slip by me unanswered
that easily unfortunately, but I'll try not to attack those snipes any
further in future.

I'm not sure why you smart folks can't ease up on the degree ITSELF of
name-calling-its simply overkill to your well-stated arguments.



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"Joe" wrote in message
...


On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:46:05 GMT, "rick" wrote:


because all you seem to be
able to do is focus on anything but the topics at hand. Why is
that? Can't back up Boob's stupid rantings? Can't refute what
US says, so instead you have to zero in on the method. Sounds
to
me like YOU don't have much of a leg to stand on, and are too
corwardly to address the issues.



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Hardly coward,lol!....
===============
So you say... Still looks like cowardice to never discuss the
issues, and focus on delivery instead.


just not dopey enough to pretend this NG is my
area of expertise-even for arguments sake.... unless I see a
sliver
where I can be a fly in the ointment. [re; fruits and veggies!]

Contrary to what you guess-timate, Suspect and Rick, I like
going
through your comments and links. I very much like seeing both
sides of
an argument- believe it or not.
For the most part I'm not interested in refuting what most
folks here
say. More than most NGs you regular folks here give good
accounts of
your opinions.
What can I add that will change either sides mind in most
topics
presented here since you and others obviously state your cases
with
more knowledge than I know about in many areas discussed.
That'd be a
silly waste of time for me to do. Some other subjects however I
can
ramble on in such a way that'd make U.S and your detailed
writings
look like short rhymes.... but not in this NG.

Normally all I do is I browse through topics of moderate
interest to
me in NGs and chatrooms and don't add comments-just take in
what
others present-of both sides. The extent to which Usual
sprinkles vile
comments in his otherwise good commentary can't slip by me
unanswered
that easily unfortunately, but I'll try not to attack those
snipes any
further in future.

I'm not sure why you smart folks can't ease up on the degree
ITSELF of
name-calling-its simply overkill to your well-stated arguments.



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usual suspect wrote:

You're simply an asshole who deserves to
get his ass kicked.
-- Violent Bob, 23 July 2005: http://tinyurl.com/9k2ml

You're the only one who's responded with threats of violence in this group.

You're right, I reacted to your insults. I certainly never started
them. You insult most everyone. You use obscenities at good kind
hearted woman.

"Beach Runner" wrote in message
.. .


usual suspect wrote:

You're simply an asshole who deserves to
get his ass kicked.
-- Violent Bob, 23 July 2005: http://tinyurl.com/9k2ml

You're the only one who's responded with threats of violence
in this group.

You're right, I reacted to your insults. I certainly never
started them. You insult most everyone. You use obscenities
at good kind hearted woman.
=======================
No, she is a proven liar, fool. that you continue to defend
those lys is no surprise, since usenet veganism is all about lys,
eh killer?

Beach Blunder wrote:
You're simply an asshole who deserves to
get his ass kicked.
-- Violent Bob, 23 July 2005: http://tinyurl.com/9k2ml

You're the only one who's responded with threats of violence in this
group.

You're right,

And you've never once apologized for sinking to that level. *******.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:15:11 GMT, "rick" wrote:



So you say... Still looks like cowardice to never discuss the
issues, and focus on delivery instead.

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Rick, I say again. This group is not my area of expertise... nutrition
I can discuss at length in a few areas, but most of the topics brought
up here are new and insightful for me. Many regular folks here know
their stuff, albeit contrary viewpoints, nevertheless very informed.
Why should I be a phoney and pretend I know about MOST of the issues
presented just for arguments sake. I really do prefer absorbing all
the info/links presented by you regulars, otherwise I wouldn't be
here.
For example, Usual's expansive response relating to the avocado's
thread [just started by BR] is an example of an indepth reply that I
go 'wow' over as it hits the topic from unexpected angles [to me
anyway].



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Joe the jester's bitch wrote:
Rick, I say again

Why bother repeating yourself when you didn't have anything to say the
first time around?

...
For example, Usual's expansive response relating to the avocado's
thread [just started by BR] is an example of an indepth reply that I
go 'wow' over as it hits the topic from unexpected angles [to me
anyway].

Yet those are issues which should be weighed by those advocating one
form of consumerism (i.e., veganism) over another. The carcinogens
produced by transporting foods from one region of the world to another
have to be considered. So, too, do the deaths related to producing one
kind of food rather than another. The issue isn't whether or not you eat
meat, it's what kind you eat.

Consider this example. Suppose you visit Beach Bunghole Bob in sunny
south Florida. He objects when you say you want to eat a small piece of
steak or a hamburger; he preaches to you about compassion for cattle,
and even engages in scaremongering about very rare diseases. You only
want a quarter-pound serving from a steer that yielded a few hundred
pounds of meat -- an insignificant fraction of the animal. The beef is
even most likely produced right there in Florida, or at least in a
neighboring state or Texas.

Bob tells you to drizzle an avocado with some olive oil and eat that
instead. You cave in to his request. When you cut open the avocado, you
remove a sticker that tells you it was grown in Mexico. You remove the
pit and scoop out the green goodness. He hands you a bottle of olive oil
and you catch the glimpse of the part that says it's blended from oils
grown in Spain, Italy, and Morocco. You drizzle it on the avocado and
eat away. Bob is happy that you're not eating meat. You're happy you
have an avocado, but would be happier with some steak.

The question Bob has to ask himself is, How many animals died in
producing the olives and the avocado? The answer will be more than one
-- from pesticides to rat poison to toxic and carcinogenic pollution
from diesel exhaust to get food from one continent to another and from
one part of the country to another. That drizzled avocado cost more
animal lives than your steak would've.

The life of a cow and the life of a mouse should count equally. In the
vegan scheme of things, they don't. The vegan objects when a fraction of
a dead animal ends up on a *plate*, not when many animals die in the
course of food production.

If you're genuinely concerned about minimizing the number of animals
harmed by your consumption, start by eating a locally-produced diet
rather one that includes foods shipped over sea or by air. That means no
tropical fruits like bananas unless you live in the tropics. Grow your
own produce or buy from a local farm; the less equipment they use, the
better. If you enjoy meat, eat larger species that have been grazed
exclusively (no grain rations during growth, no fattening), and wild
game and fish. The footprint from such a diet would be tremendously
smaller than a "vegan" who consumes imported foods, foods grown
commercially, and processed protein isolates (fake meats) which involve
even more shipping and storage.

If you think the whole issue is trivial, eat what you enjoy and don't
take shit from vegans or anyone else about your own preferences. It's
nobody else's business what you choose to put in your mouth. Nor is it
yours what they put in their mouths.

Whatever you do, don't pretend you're saving animals from harm simply by
not eating them. You're not.

usual suspect wrote:

Beach Blunder wrote:

You're simply an asshole who deserves to
get his ass kicked.
-- Violent Bob, 23 July 2005: http://tinyurl.com/9k2ml

You're the only one who's responded with threats of violence in this
group.


You're right,


And you've never once apologized for sinking to that level. *******.

I apologize for letting my emotions get the better of me.

You should apologize to many many people for your abusive insults.