Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?

wrote:
Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?


You don't say what you eat or do. Even if you consume no fats, excess
carbs get converted to triglycerides. So, it can come from fats or
carbs.

Then you can and should consider exercise. Exercise will change the
chemical balance. Be a fat burning machine. Diet without exercise is
useless.

"You don't say what you eat or do." - Here is more information.

I am a vegan Dr John McDougall style (mainly beans, grains, fruits and
vegetables; no dairy or eggs), I pay close attention to my diet and do
not eat any sweets/desserts. I eat a low fat diet (~10-15% calories
from fat) I do however engage in occasional high glycemic index food
eating, white potatoes, rice cakes, pretzels (no salt) etc.. I take my
vitamins everyday (multivitamin, vitamin C, Flax Omega-3).

I work as an engineer in a cubicle and lead a largely sedentary
lifestyle. I am a healthy weight (155 lbs, 5'7").

Right now my goal is to try to eat fewer high glycemic foods and eat
more vegetables. Also, I hope to exercise more, probably engage in
walking.

I wonder if anyone has any other creative ideas to lower my high
triglycerides?

wrote:
"You don't say what you eat or do." - Here is more information.

I am a vegan Dr John McDougall style (mainly beans, grains, fruits and
vegetables; no dairy or eggs), I pay close attention to my diet and do
not eat any sweets/desserts. I eat a low fat diet (~10-15% calories
from fat) I do however engage in occasional high glycemic index food
eating, white potatoes, rice cakes, pretzels (no salt) etc.. I take my
vitamins everyday (multivitamin, vitamin C, Flax Omega-3).

I work as an engineer in a cubicle and lead a largely sedentary
lifestyle. I am a healthy weight (155 lbs, 5'7").
Bobs
Right now my goal is to try to eat fewer high glycemic foods and eat
more vegetables. Also, I hope to exercise more, probably engage in
walking.

I wonder if anyone has any other creative ideas to lower my high
triglycerides?

There are new places where they are setting up workstations over
treadmills, so people can walk and work... Very few places offer such
an alternative.

It sounds like you have the right ideas. what less high glycemic foods
and more exercise. While walking is great, speed walking is better.
Consider adding more variety and perhaps resistance training. Great for
your bones as well. Consider cross training.

Another thing to consider, tests are not 100% accurate, especially with
insurance company standards.

Bob

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:16:56 GMT, Beach Runner wrote:



wrote:
"You don't say what you eat or do." - Here is more information.

I am a vegan Dr John McDougall style (mainly beans, grains, fruits and
vegetables; no dairy or eggs), I pay close attention to my diet and do
not eat any sweets/desserts. I eat a low fat diet (~10-15% calories
from fat) I do however engage in occasional high glycemic index food
eating, white potatoes, rice cakes, pretzels (no salt) etc.. I take my
vitamins everyday (multivitamin, vitamin C, Flax Omega-3).

I work as an engineer in a cubicle and lead a largely sedentary
lifestyle. I am a healthy weight (155 lbs, 5'7").
Bobs
Right now my goal is to try to eat fewer high glycemic foods and eat
more vegetables. Also, I hope to exercise more, probably engage in
walking.

I wonder if anyone has any other creative ideas to lower my high
triglycerides?

If your blood type is O or B your high triglicerides are easily
explained - and quite possibly treatable with some diet modifications.

If you are A or AB, we'll have to look a little bit more specifically
at what foods you are eating that are causing the rise.

best wishes,

Steve

wrote:
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?

Reduce:
- your fruit intake if you eat a lot
- use of fruit juice and sweeetened beverages
- use of sweeteners
- use of flour products
- use of processed foods
- eat more vegetables
- eat less
- exercise more


Good Luck

Steve

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Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?


Fix those numbers man, mine are like yours, and I just had emergency
angioplasty and stints about a month ago. And I am only 43! Had 3 put in,
and 2 more bad spots, but not bad enough to fix. Have bad CAD. (Coronary
artery disease). On beta blockers for pain.
Buy my Triglycerides have been about 600, and HDL (good stuff) had been
very, very low). A cocktail for problems. Been this way sense I was in my
early 20's when I got it taken the first time. Not that high, but to high.
And has been high for years, but never was told the meaning of the numbers.
I will not go into detail here, but I almost died I think. They got it just
in time. 90-95% blocked, 75-85% blocked, and one down the line from that
one, 40-50 % blocked.

SO dude, do what it takes. And you do not need to take aerobic for exercise,
find a good Tai Chi class. After you learn a set, you can do it a few times
a day. That's something.

Best of luck!

wrote:
Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?

For starters, seek professional medical and nutritional advice rather
than turning to crackpots on usenet who share your eating disorder.
Since you wrote with more details, I would urge you to investigate the
other side of the issue (i.e., the opposite of MacDougal's perspective)
regarding fat intake.

For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels
concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy
and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a
variety of disorders including elevation of triglycerides as well as
neurological issues. Nerve cells (including your brain) require lipids
to function properly.

Second, exercise is remarkably more beneficial in weight maintenance and
creating sound health than simply adopting a peculiar (and the MacDougal
plan IS peculiar) diet. Take up a variety of activities.

Third, I don't understand your "goal" with respect to glycemic issues.
Are you diabetic or do you have a metabolic disorder? If you don't have
such an underlying issue, you should reconsider such restrictions on
your intake. Eat sensibly. That means consuming adequate amounts of all
the macronutrients (fats, protein, and carbohydrates).

Finally, I would urge you to seek professional guidance about eating
disorders. Restrictive diets should be only for people who have
legitimate health issues which demand restrictions. Otherwise-healthy
people shouldn't place burdens on themselves, lest they end up with new
issues like you now have.

Veganism IS such a restrictive diet, and so are these fad restrictive
diets like MacDougal's (which restricts fats) and carb-restrictive diets
which focus on carbs or glycemic index. Though you may choose to remain
vegan, you will have higher hurdles to jump in terms of getting
appropriate nutrition. That includes your choice of supplements (i.e.,
flax capsules which contain both omega-6 and omega-3; you need the
latter, NOT the former).

You would do well now that you have red flags to consider all your
options and make sounder decisions than you have.

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:32:18 GMT, usual suspect
wrote:

wrote:
Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?

For starters, seek professional medical and nutritional advice rather
than turning to crackpots on usenet who share your eating disorder.
Since you wrote with more details, I would urge you to investigate the
other side of the issue (i.e., the opposite of MacDougal's perspective)
regarding fat intake.

Good advice on seeking advice from the pros' but......
Why would you assume advice given would come from crackpots?
Some here with similar ailments or who know friends in such situations
probably have information received from professionals that they'd be
happy to share and suggest he research into and seek info on.

For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels
concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy
and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a
variety of disorders including elevation of triglycerides as well as
neurological issues. Nerve cells (including your brain) require lipids
to function properly.

Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in
excess amounts is it very damaging. Monosaturated fats are vital in
maintaining a healthy heart by lowering LDL cholesterol and boosting
HDL levels. As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on
keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily]
low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts.

Second, exercise is remarkably more beneficial in weight maintenance and
creating sound health than simply adopting a peculiar (and the MacDougal
plan IS peculiar) diet. Take up a variety of activities.

True--- Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of
proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better
longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person.

Third, I don't understand your "goal" with respect to glycemic issues.
Are you diabetic or do you have a metabolic disorder? If you don't have
such an underlying issue, you should reconsider such restrictions on
your intake. Eat sensibly. That means consuming adequate amounts of all
the macronutrients (fats, protein, and carbohydrates).

Particularly eat high amounts of protein regarding G.I issues. Don't
overdo the carbs AT ALL! Great non-meat/fish sources of protein are
Tofu, cauliflower, soybean, walnuts, pine nuts, kale, bulgor. If you
like potatoes, opt for sweet potatoes and red potatoes which have a
lower G.I than white ones. Figure out, based on your sex/activity,
your minimum healthy daily calorie intake requirements and from there
your minimal protein intake and a lower proportion of Carb intake.

Finally, I would urge you to seek professional guidance about eating
disorders. Restrictive diets should be only for people who have
legitimate health issues which demand restrictions. Otherwise-healthy
people shouldn't place burdens on themselves, lest they end up with new
issues like you now have.

Agreed on eating as you see fit, but nutrition information is the key.
What meat-eaters may perceive as restrictive in a general sense, is
[in my case anyway] not a pertinent issue regarding being only used
for 'legitimate health issues'. Leaving out from my diet meat, fish,
eggs, [lacto-vegetarian by definition I suppose] and getting all the
proper nutrition intake that IS abundantly available from other
sources is just my personal option for being healthy along with
remaining constantly active. The perception that those on such diets
are weak, emaciated and light-headed is quite false. Once again it
comes down to meeting your proper minimal calorie intake/balance and
making sure your micronutrients needs are met. I'd think anyone should
be restrictive in avoiding trans-fats and hydrogenated oils regardless
of whatever source it comes from.

Veganism IS such a restrictive diet, and so are these fad restrictive
diets like MacDougal's (which restricts fats) and carb-restrictive diets
which focus on carbs or glycemic index. Though you may choose to remain
vegan, you will have higher hurdles to jump in terms of getting
appropriate nutrition. That includes your choice of supplements (i.e.,
flax capsules which contain both omega-6 and omega-3; you need the
latter, NOT the former).

You would do well now that you have red flags to consider all your
options and make sounder decisions than you have.

Agreed. It's all a learning process. Even with dissenting views in
this newsgroup there is much valid information to peruse through and
appreciate.
Another good red flag is making sure you don't have too much of a good
thing. Keep in mind dangerous toxicity issues if you excessively
overdo your intake of several micronutrients [ minerals and vitamins].

Some research you may want to look into and seek advice on regards
MCT - Medium Chain Triglycerides.

wrote:
Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

Some useful sites you may like;
http://www.dietitian.com/vegetari.html
http://www.glycemicindex.com/
http://www.youngagain.com/noname62.html


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Joe wrote:
Just got my blood test results back, my triglycerides are too high (550
mg/dL) and my HDLs are too low.

What do I do now?

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to modify my diet to get my
blood numbers under control?

For starters, seek professional medical and nutritional advice rather
than turning to crackpots on usenet who share your eating disorder.
Since you wrote with more details, I would urge you to investigate the
other side of the issue (i.e., the opposite of MacDougal's perspective)
regarding fat intake.

Good advice on seeking advice from the pros' but......
Why would you assume advice given would come from crackpots?

How would YOU distinguish between a crackpot foot-masseuse like Lesley
and someone who gives sound advice?

Some here with similar ailments or who know friends in such situations
probably have information received from professionals that they'd be
happy to share and suggest he research into and seek info on.

Lesley claims to have healed her sister's brain injury by rubbing her
feet, to have protected her cats from viruses by use of a device called
a Zapper, and so on. She is one example of the kooks masquerading as
"experts" on USENET. Others here will recommend veganism even if it
causes more problems than it solves for any particular individual.
Clearly, the original poster has an issue which requires professional
advice and treatment. He doesn't need armchair vegan "nutritionists"
advising him and potentially ****ing up his problems even more than they
already are.

For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels
concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy
and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a
variety of disorders including elevation of triglycerides as well as
neurological issues. Nerve cells (including your brain) require lipids
to function properly.

Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in
excess amounts is it very damaging.

Anything in excess is potentially damaging. That includes ignorance, and
you have more than your fair share of it. The diet should contain less
than 10% of total daily calories. In a 2000-calorie per day plan, that
would mean no more than 20 grams of saturated fat.

Monosaturated

Mono*UN*saturated, you ****ing imbecile. Mono**UN**saturated. You're the
goddam epitome of the problem with seeking advice over USENET.

fats are vital in
maintaining a healthy heart by lowering LDL cholesterol and boosting
HDL levels.

You have the cart before the horse: monoUNsaturated fats elevate HDL and
that works to (marginally) decrease LDL.

As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on
keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily]
low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts.

Again, you're a ****ing clueless idiot. Mono*UN*saturated fats also
contain omega-6 FAs (and, with the exception of canola, little or no
omega-3). Polyunsaturated oils also don't contain much (if any) omega-3 FAs.

More importantly, it's next to impossible to balance omega-3 and omega-6
fatty acids into a favorable ratio without consuming some meat (fish,
grass-fed beef, wild game, etc.) or fish oil supplements. Vegetarian
sources of omega-3 also tend to have a high ratio of omega-6 and have no
long-chained FAs (either omega-3 or -6).
http://efaeducation.nih.gov/sig/esstable.html

Second, exercise is remarkably more beneficial in weight maintenance and
creating sound health than simply adopting a peculiar (and the MacDougal
plan IS peculiar) diet. Take up a variety of activities.

True--- Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of
proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better
longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person.

What a ****. Malnourished skinny people don't fare *ANY* better than
anyone else.

Third, I don't understand your "goal" with respect to glycemic issues.
Are you diabetic or do you have a metabolic disorder? If you don't have
such an underlying issue, you should reconsider such restrictions on
your intake. Eat sensibly. That means consuming adequate amounts of all
the macronutrients (fats, protein, and carbohydrates).

Particularly eat high amounts of protein regarding G.I issues. Don't
overdo the carbs AT ALL!

That's why the OP finds himself in trouble now, you ****ing moron. You
don't correct extremes with other extremes -- that only makes things
worse. He needs *moderation* in his life and diet. That's why he should
NOT seek advice from vegans on usenet. ****.

...
Finally, I would urge you to seek professional guidance about eating
disorders. Restrictive diets should be only for people who have
legitimate health issues which demand restrictions. Otherwise-healthy
people shouldn't place burdens on themselves, lest they end up with new
issues like you now have.

Agreed on eating as you see fit,

Then shut the **** up and stop dispensing advice based on personal
philosophy rather than science.

Veganism IS such a restrictive diet, and so are these fad restrictive
diets like MacDougal's (which restricts fats) and carb-restrictive diets
which focus on carbs or glycemic index. Though you may choose to remain
vegan, you will have higher hurdles to jump in terms of getting
appropriate nutrition. That includes your choice of supplements (i.e.,
flax capsules which contain both omega-6 and omega-3; you need the
latter, NOT the former).

You would do well now that you have red flags to consider all your
options and make sounder decisions than you have.

Agreed.

The shut the **** up and stop dispensing vegan pseudoscience. The OP
needs help, not another vegan nitwit telling him to research MCTs. You
are exactly the kind of usenet twit he should avoid.

usual suspect corrected:
...
Good advice. The body does require saturated fats - it's only in
excess amounts is it very damaging.

Anything in excess is potentially damaging. That includes ignorance, and
you have more than your fair share of it. The diet should contain less
than 10% of total daily calories

in the form of saturated fats.

In a 2000-calorie per day plan, that
would mean no more than 20 grams of saturated fat.
...

On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:52:31 GMT, usual suspect
wrote:

usual suspect corrected:

I'm surprised you didn't call yourself an 'f'ing poofda imbecile' when
you corrected yourself. Most of your ranting is laughable to me at
best, and makes you seem like the veritable crackpot whose comments
one should be wary of.


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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:47:18 GMT, usual suspect
wrote:



Lesley claims to have healed her sister's brain injury by rubbing her
feet, to have protected her cats from viruses by use of a device called
a Zapper, and so on.

Hopefully something miraculous will heal your brain injury that makes
get into rabid hysterics
..
For instance, restricting fats does NOT reduce serum lipid levels
concomitantly. The body requires certain amounts of fats for both energy
and maintenance. Fat-deprivation over long periods of time can lead to a

Telling me something I know already, if you read what I said.

Anything in excess is potentially damaging.

Dopey generalised statement - of course.

Monosaturated

Mono*UN*saturated, you ****ing imbecile. Mono**UN**saturated. You're the
goddam epitome of the problem with seeking advice over USENET.

Spelling error which you do infrequently. Imagine blowing a gasket
over that. Please don't be a judge at a Spelling B.


You have the cart before the horse: monoUNsaturated fats elevate HDL and
that works to (marginally) decrease LDL.

Sweet Lord.... hyped over that!

As for polyunsaturated fats keep a very careful eye on
keeping your Omega 3 sources very high and Omega 6 intake [healthily]
low enough to be almost in balance with the Omega 3 amounts.

Polyunsaturated oils also don't contain much (if any) omega-3 FAs.

Are you nuts?!

More importantly, it's next to impossible to balance omega-3 and omega-6
fatty acids into a favorable ratio without consuming some meat (fish,
grass-fed beef, wild game, etc.) or fish oil supplements.

You are nuts. Keep track of amounts of intakes of Omega 6 and Omega 3
and you'll know you can do it. But you never like to say 'never say
never'.


Exercise critical. A skinny person consistently devoid of
proper nutrition and exercise does not fare much better
longetivity-wise is an 'obese' inactive person.

What a ****. Malnourished skinny people don't fare *ANY* better than
anyone else.

You got pretty riled up there-more than usual- are you hinting you are
inactive and obese.

Don't
overdo the carbs AT ALL!

That's why the OP finds himself in trouble now, you ****ing moron. You
don't correct extremes with other extremes -- that only makes things
worse. He needs *moderation* in his life and diet. That's why he should
NOT seek advice from vegans on usenet. ****.

Well "Mr.All Sudies and no practicality" I have a couple of friends
with G.I issues and IF you think not overdoing Carbs is of no concern
then you are a crackpot on crack.



Then shut the **** up and stop dispensing advice based on personal
philosophy rather than science.

Actually your consistent ranting probably puts many people off much of
what you 'claim'. Take assistance when you get it.



The shut the **** up and stop dispensing vegan pseudoscience. The OP
needs help, not another vegan nitwit telling him to research MCTs.

I'm vegetarian you presumptive monkey; where did I say I was a vegan?
are exactly the kind of usenet twit he should avoid.

I have a feeling many people avoid you for a number of unflattering
reasons.


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Joe wrote:
usual suspect corrected:

I'm surprised

Only because you're ****ing clueless.

usual suspect wrote:
Joe wrote:

usual suspect corrected:


I'm surprised


Only because you're ****ing clueless.
That's typical of you nasty personality. He came seeking honest advice.

I explained carbs get converted to fats, there are genetic components
and exercise. He should also consult you his medical professional.

Your statement is just plain mean and provides no information.