In this country it's just about impossible to be a 100% vegan which is just
a label. I'm about a 95% vegan. Today I was hungry and needed some food, so
I went to taco bell because that was just about all there was and got a 7
layer burrito which I guess was as close to a vegan meal as I could get. If
I'm working hard in the boon docks and really tired and hungry and needed
food to continue my next 4 hours of work and the boss brought everyone a
whooper from burger king, I'm afraid I would just have to eat it. Don't get
me wrong, I'm 100% for being a vegan and I'll always try, but I just try and
use common since. In some cases eating meat because that's all there is
might do more good than harm. Thanks for reading my little tid bit.

Richard Miller wrote:

In this country it's just about impossible to be a 100% vegan which is just
a label.


No it's not. You need to look more closely at your options.

I'm afraid I would just have to eat it.

Then clearly, by your own admissions, you are an omnivore and not a
true vegan. This is a little bit scary, as it appears that the ethical
considerations for switching to a veg*n diet and making humane
cruelty-free choices seems to escape you.

"Pinnochio Mojo" wrote in message
oups.com...

Richard Miller wrote:

In this country it's just about impossible to be a 100% vegan
which is just
a label.


No it's not. You need to look more closely at your options.

I'm afraid I would just have to eat it.

Then clearly, by your own admissions, you are an omnivore and
not a
true vegan.
===========================
Wow, what a coincedence, neither are you...














This is a little bit scary, as it appears that the ethical
considerations for switching to a veg*n diet and making humane
cruelty-free choices seems to escape you.

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan. Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're 99.9% vegan.
You can say you eat a helluva lot of veggies and little meat in your
diet, but you can't say you are a vegetarian or a vegan. I work out
alot burning alot of calories and get by on a vegetarian diet very
nicely-iLearn to cook/create quick tasty non-meat meals that you can
take to work. If you are in the boondocks, consider taking to work
pre-cooked meals/tofu/nuts/organic honey-peanut butter/whole-wheat
bread based sandwiches... load up on nutritious foods and you'll feel
more than full-and very healthy - this is common sense if you really
want to avoid meat intake. Hope that helps-and it's good that you
try,but you'll find it's not impossible.


On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:32:13 -0700, "Richard Miller"
wrote:

In this country it's just about impossible to be a 100% vegan which is just
a label. I'm about a 95% vegan. Today I was hungry and needed some food, so
I went to taco bell because that was just about all there was and got a 7
layer burrito which I guess was as close to a vegan meal as I could get. If
I'm working hard in the boon docks and really tired and hungry and needed
food to continue my next 4 hours of work and the boss brought everyone a
whooper from burger king, I'm afraid I would just have to eat it. Don't get
me wrong, I'm 100% for being a vegan and I'll always try, but I just try and
use common since. In some cases eating meat because that's all there is
might do more good than harm. Thanks for reading my little tid bit.

Joe wrote:
Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan. Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're 99.9% vegan.
You can say you eat a helluva lot of veggies and little meat in your
diet, but you can't say you are a vegetarian or a vegan. I work out
alot burning alot of calories and get by on a vegetarian diet very
nicely-iLearn to cook/create quick tasty non-meat meals that you can
take to work. If you are in the boondocks, consider taking to work
pre-cooked meals/tofu/nuts/organic honey-peanut butter/whole-wheat
bread based sandwiches... load up on nutritious foods and you'll feel
more than full-and very healthy - this is common sense if you really
want to avoid meat intake. Hope that helps-and it's good that you
try,but you'll find it's not impossible.


On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:32:13 -0700, "Richard Miller"
wrote:


In this country it's just about impossible to be a 100% vegan which is just
a label. I'm about a 95% vegan. Today I was hungry and needed some food, so
I went to taco bell because that was just about all there was and got a 7
layer burrito which I guess was as close to a vegan meal as I could get. If
I'm working hard in the boon docks and really tired and hungry and needed
food to continue my next 4 hours of work and the boss brought everyone a
whooper from burger king, I'm afraid I would just have to eat it. Don't get
me wrong, I'm 100% for being a vegan and I'll always try, but I just try and
use common since. In some cases eating meat because that's all there is
might do more good than harm. Thanks for reading my little tid bit.



If it's important bring food. It's your choice. A burrito need not
have cheese, and you can bet it's the cheapest cheese available.

Then if you cut down on meat congratulation.

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan. Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're 99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far better to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much control.

T.

I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they shouldn't walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any vegans will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!
Personally I'm scrutinizing non-'vegetarian' food product ingredients
closely now and make an occasional catch of an animal-additive and off
my grocery list that item goes-it's a reasonable ongoing learning
process. A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition found in that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon" wrote:

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan. Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're 99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far better to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much control.

T.

Joe wrote:

On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon"
wrote:
Joe wrote:
Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan. Just
like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're 99.9%
vegan.
Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far better to
eat
a little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary every
day. It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much
control.
I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they shouldn't
walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any vegans will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!

Yes. So it's a matter of where to draw the line. The farther you draw
it, the better. That doesn't mean it's all useless if you don't draw
it as far as some. The more you do the better.

A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition found in
that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.

No one needs cheese. I said, it's far better to eat
a little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary every
day. If you slip once in a while it doesn't mean you have to give the
whole thing up. Be happy with what you can achieve. From there one,
maybe you can achieve more.

T.

"Joe" wrote in message
...
I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan
has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they
shouldn't walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on
minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any vegans
will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!
========================
Why go that far, killer? The point is that YOU do nothing to
alleviate/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering of animals.
Following a simple rule for your simple mind does nothing,
hypocrite.



Personally I'm scrutinizing non-'vegetarian' food product
ingredients
closely now and make an occasional catch of an animal-additive
and off
my grocery list that item goes-it's a reasonable ongoing
learning
process.
==========================
Ah yes, the micro-pieces obsession of an eating disorder...


A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition found
in that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that
once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.
======================
ROTFLMAO These 'alternatives' cause far more brutal, inhumane
deaths than is you just ate the real things you ignorant dolt.
But then, you keep proving with each inane post that unnecessary
animals death and suffering means nothing to you, killer.




On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon"
wrote:

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan.
Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're
99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue
in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the
electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far better
to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary
every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much
control.

T.

Taemon wrote:


Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue in
your furniture,
Only musical instruments because it's weak glue and has acoustic properties

Rick, I think you should change your name to;
"Much ado about nothing."

You say the same thing over and over until we're bored to tears.

On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:51 GMT, "rick" wrote:


ROTFLMAO ..........., killer.

rick wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
...
I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan
has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they
shouldn't walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on
minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any vegans
will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!
========================
Why go that far, killer? The point is that YOU do nothing to
alleviate/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering of animals.

You are overplaying your hand. By becoming vegan Joe has eliminated
from his diet factory farmed animals that have been fed factory
farmed veggies. You can argue that veganism is not the most effective
way to alleviate unnecessary death and suffering of animals but
to claim it does nothing is just silly.

Following a simple rule for your simple mind does nothing,
hypocrite.



Personally I'm scrutinizing non-'vegetarian' food product
ingredients
closely now and make an occasional catch of an animal-additive
and off
my grocery list that item goes-it's a reasonable ongoing
learning
process.
==========================
Ah yes, the micro-pieces obsession of an eating disorder...


A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition found
in that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that
once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.
======================
ROTFLMAO These 'alternatives' cause far more brutal, inhumane
deaths than is you just ate the real things you ignorant dolt.
But then, you keep proving with each inane post that unnecessary
animals death and suffering means nothing to you, killer.




On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon"
wrote:

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan.
Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're
99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the glue
in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the
electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far better
to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary
every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much
control.

T.

"Dave" wrote in message
oups.com...

rick wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
...
I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan
has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they
shouldn't walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on
minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any
vegans
will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!
========================
Why go that far, killer? The point is that YOU do nothing to
alleviate/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering of
animals.

You are overplaying your hand. By becoming vegan Joe has
eliminated
from his diet factory farmed animals that have been fed factory
farmed veggies.
==================================
At what cost? He has, like you, done exactly zero research into
the alternatives he has chosen. I claim there are different
alternatives that DO make a difference, instead of the
illusionary ones vegans claims. All he follows is the simple
rule for his simple mind, 'eat no meat.' That does nothing to
reduce eliminate overall animal death and suffering. And, again
you have to resort to this 'factory-farmed' myth, which is all
vegans rant about despite the fact that there are alternative
meats.


You can argue that veganism is not the most effective
way to alleviate unnecessary death and suffering of animals but
to claim it does nothing is just silly.
=============================
No, it's not. By just becomeing a 'vegan' wannbe does nothing to
really reduce/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering.
besides, there are NO vegans here on usenet...



Following a simple rule for your simple mind does nothing,
hypocrite.



Personally I'm scrutinizing non-'vegetarian' food product
ingredients
closely now and make an occasional catch of an
animal-additive
and off
my grocery list that item goes-it's a reasonable ongoing
learning
process.
==========================
Ah yes, the micro-pieces obsession of an eating disorder...


A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition
found
in that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that
once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.
======================
ROTFLMAO These 'alternatives' cause far more brutal, inhumane
deaths than is you just ate the real things you ignorant dolt.
But then, you keep proving with each inane post that
unnecessary
animals death and suffering means nothing to you, killer.




On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon"

wrote:

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan.
Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're
99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the
glue
in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the
electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far
better
to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary
every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much
control.

T.

"Joe" wrote in message
...
Rick, I think you should change your name to;
"Much ado about nothing."

You say the same thing over and over until we're bored to
tears.
========================
LOL Only because you keep spewing the same lys over and over,
hypocrite. change your tune and I won't have to tell you the
truth again....



On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:34:51 GMT, "rick" wrote:


ROTFLMAO ..........., killer.

rick wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
oups.com...

rick wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message
...
I disagree; you're talking about extremeties in which a vegan
has
zippo control-a 100% vegan by your standards means they
shouldn't walk
on the ground for the rest of their life lest they stomp on
minute
sized creatures by the 1000's with each step - Will any
vegans
will
claim such extremes as a base-line pre-requisite!
========================
Why go that far, killer? The point is that YOU do nothing to
alleviate/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering of
animals.

You are overplaying your hand. By becoming vegan Joe has
eliminated
from his diet factory farmed animals that have been fed factory
farmed veggies.
==================================
At what cost? He has, like you, done exactly zero research into
the alternatives he has chosen. I claim there are different
alternatives that DO make a difference, instead of the
illusionary ones vegans claims.

There is nothing illusory about the claim that commonplace
methods for producing animal products cause more harm than
non-animal products. Not only do the welfare conditions of
these animals range from sub-optimal to appaling but more
of the grain and soya you make such a big thing about grown
to feed the animals than would be needed to feed humans directly.

All he follows is the simple
rule for his simple mind, 'eat no meat.' That does nothing to
reduce eliminate overall animal death and suffering.

If he ate conventionally reared meat and dairy products his diet
would cause a great deal more overall animal death and suffering.
You are blinded by your hatred of vegans and this is preventing
you from thinking rationally.

And, again
you have to resort to this 'factory-farmed' myth,

I simply do not believe that having spent so long
on this newsgroup you can still be ignorant enough to
describe the factory-farming of animals as a myth.

which is all
vegans rant about despite the fact that there are alternative
meats.

There are alternative methods of producing meat and dairy that are
considerably more compassionate and environmentally responsible.
The fact that Joe also avoids these products does not alter
the fact that he avoids the food products of animal based factory
farming and thereby does something to reduce the unnecessary
death and suffering of animals.

You can argue that veganism is not the most effective
way to alleviate unnecessary death and suffering of animals but
to claim it does nothing is just silly.
=============================
No, it's not. By just becomeing a 'vegan' wannbe does nothing to
really reduce/eliminate unnecessary death and suffering.
besides, there are NO vegans here on usenet...

Following a simple rule for your simple mind does nothing,
hypocrite.



Personally I'm scrutinizing non-'vegetarian' food product
ingredients
closely now and make an occasional catch of an
animal-additive
and off
my grocery list that item goes-it's a reasonable ongoing
learning
process.
==========================
Ah yes, the micro-pieces obsession of an eating disorder...


A vegan doesn't need "cheese once a week" in place of meat
since there are alternate sources for similar nutrition
found
in that
and other dairy products-otherwise by definition that
once-a-week
cheese would take-on vegetarian status.
======================
ROTFLMAO These 'alternatives' cause far more brutal, inhumane
deaths than is you just ate the real things you ignorant dolt.
But then, you keep proving with each inane post that
unnecessary
animals death and suffering means nothing to you, killer.




On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:08:00 +0200, "Taemon"

wrote:

Joe wrote:

Why would you say impossible... many get by fine as vegan.
Just like
you can't be a little bit pregnant, you can't say you're
99.9%
vegan.

Of course you can. You have to. Animals are killed for the
glue
in
your furniture, for the dye of your clothes, for the
electricity of
your computer. You can only do your best. And it's far
better
to eat a
little bit of cheese once a week than to eat meat and diary
every day.
It's not an all-or-nothing matter. We don't have that much
control.

T.