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Old 19-12-2004, 07:38 PM
Leo
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?In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.?

Sounds bad! But did you read the conclusion of the study: "We conclude
that soya consumption can affect hormones that regulate growth of
neoplastic cells, and that this may account at least in part for
decreased cancer risk in populations with high legume consumption."

So let us eat more soy!

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Old 19-12-2004, 08:03 PM
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Leo wrote:
?In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.?

Sounds bad! But did you read the conclusion of the study: "We conclude
that soya consumption can affect hormones that regulate growth of
neoplastic cells, and that this may account at least in part for
decreased cancer risk in populations with high legume consumption."


Other studies have shown possible associative risks between soy
consumption and other forms of cancer. Indeed, some of the links I
offered note the higher incidence of esophegal and other alimentary
cancers in Asia -- thought to possibly be from a higher intake of soy.

So let us eat more soy!


No, let's do more research before we take ONE study and make unfounded
generalizations from it.
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Old 19-12-2004, 08:03 PM
usual suspect
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Leo wrote:
?In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.?

Sounds bad! But did you read the conclusion of the study: "We conclude
that soya consumption can affect hormones that regulate growth of
neoplastic cells, and that this may account at least in part for
decreased cancer risk in populations with high legume consumption."


Other studies have shown possible associative risks between soy
consumption and other forms of cancer. Indeed, some of the links I
offered note the higher incidence of esophegal and other alimentary
cancers in Asia -- thought to possibly be from a higher intake of soy.

So let us eat more soy!


No, let's do more research before we take ONE study and make unfounded
generalizations from it.
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Old 19-12-2004, 10:03 PM
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Everyone appears to be fearful of something happening to them but we are
getting fatter and living longer than ever before, Why? Are all these
"chemicals" really good for us and actually making us live longer. Before
the turn of the century (1900) average life expectancy was less than 45,
What is it today and why?

Chuck


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Leo wrote:
?In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.?

Sounds bad! But did you read the conclusion of the study: "We conclude
that soya consumption can affect hormones that regulate growth of
neoplastic cells, and that this may account at least in part for
decreased cancer risk in populations with high legume consumption."


Other studies have shown possible associative risks between soy
consumption and other forms of cancer. Indeed, some of the links I offered
note the higher incidence of esophegal and other alimentary cancers in
Asia -- thought to possibly be from a higher intake of soy.

So let us eat more soy!


No, let's do more research before we take ONE study and make unfounded
generalizations from it.



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Old 20-12-2004, 04:17 AM
Bruce Sinclair
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In article , "Chuck" wrote:
Everyone appears to be fearful of something happening to them but we are
getting fatter and living longer than ever before, Why? Are all these
"chemicals" really good for us and actually making us live longer. Before
the turn of the century (1900) average life expectancy was less than 45,
What is it today and why?


Do you have an opinion ? ... and does it agree with the data already
gathered on this subject ?



Bruce

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Old 20-12-2004, 10:08 PM
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Everyone appears to be fearful of something happening to them but we are
getting fatter and living longer than ever before, Why? Are all these


I think life expectancies are now being reduced in the West partly because
of the obesity epidemic.

John


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Old 20-12-2004, 10:12 PM
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Soy products have little to no flavour or a slighly beany flavour. Like
virtually everything else unnatural that people eat, it needs to be flavour
enhanced by some emans or other, otherwise people will not eat it as-is.

In the UK there is a brand with a smoked flavour and added almond pieces
that is very flavoursome.

John


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Maybe when it tastes good



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Old 21-12-2004, 12:33 AM
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John Coleman wrote:
Soy products have little to no flavour or a slighly beany flavour.


Bullshit, they have a horrible aftertaste. That's one of the reasons why
many people throw out their first carton of soy milk and go for stuff
like nut milks or rice milk instead. Just do a quick search of SOY and
AFTERTASTE.
 




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