I hardly watch network television other than sports and Sunday morning news
shows. Imagine my surprise during an NFL game when a promo ran for "Trading
Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy" showing an animal rights activist/vegan switching
families with a Cajun. This ran in two episodes and the final one was last night.

The animal rights activist really came off as a complete domineering witch (or
something that rhymes with it). The funniest part last night was when the animal
rights activist lectured the extended Cajun family on how meat causes cancer but
her Gardenburgers cure it, and then she went out on the back porch to fire up a
cigarette.

It's ironic that she abused the Cajuns' dog while she was fixing a vegan meal.
She also ate some fried alligator (which she admitted was pretty good). Guess
she'll have some explaining to do to all her vegan friends back in San Diego
today now that they've seen her abusing a dog and eating meat on tv. Her vegan
friends were very intolerant when they invited the Cajun mom to their potluck.
They rebuked her for her gift of gator heads, and they made the typically trite
and ridiculous analogies ("just because they're killing puppies at the pounds
doesn't mean I want a recycled puppy head for my house"). What a bunch of
self-righteous hussies.

The vegan's henpecked husband and kids were bewildered when she told them that
she ate some meat -- she's the one who forced everyone to go along with her
activism and to parrot her on every point of "compassion." I felt sorry for the
California husband because he was so obviously emasculated by his self-centered
wife, and their kids were faring no better. Oh, when the Wicked Witch cooked for
the extended family, she also provided the entertainment: a video from PETA.
That didn't go over well at all. She thinks she planted seeds, but she couldn't
have made a good impression on anyone (including viewers).

The Cajun mom, on the other hand, was a genuinely sweet and charming woman. She
was going to make a real gumbo for the extended family until she found a
printout in a cupboard about why the California vegan mom doesn't eat meat. So
she respected the Wicked Vegan Witch and made a "vegan gumbo" instead. I've
tried that. It doesn't really work. Mock meat is not meat, and mock gumbo is not
gumbo.

The California family, all of whom -- including extended family -- were vegan
animal rights activists, didn't seem to care for the spiciness of the gumbo, nor
did they care for her gifts of gator heads (Cajun mom's father started a swamp
tour business that she and her husband now run; they also have the franchise for
processing gator heads for sale to tourists throughout Louisiana). I did notice,
though, that the kids got over their initial disgust and carried one around and
showed it off to friends and family. Cool!

The irony, of course, is that most animal rights activists live in urban areas
(e.g., San Diego), far away from animals and nature. I thought it was great to
put a vegan/ARA as far away from an urban area as possible. Can't get much
further away than south Louisiana. It made for a very entertaining two hours and
for a very accurate portrayal of whiny, preachy, hypocritical vegans.

usual suspect wrote:

snip

Time to update my usenet filter....

Steve wrote:
snip

Time to update my usenet filter....

Got it updated yet?

Racist Ray wrote:
I would normally say "Welcome Back" but contrary to popular belief - I'm not
a hypocrite. No doubt ~~Jonnie~~ will be along shortly.

What makes you think so? It's not like you're the most intellectually
stimulating groups of people. Quite the opposite, really. :-)

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:01:09 GMT, usual suspect wrote:

Racist Ray wrote:
I would normally say "Welcome Back" but contrary to popular belief - I'm not
a hypocrite. No doubt ~~Jonnie~~ will be along shortly.

What makes you think so?

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...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:01:09 GMT, usual suspect
wrote:

Racist Ray wrote:
I would normally say "Welcome Back" but contrary to popular belief - I'm
not
a hypocrite. No doubt ~~Jonnie~~ will be along shortly.

What makes you think so?

From: Bill Zenith
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Drunken (non smoker) Ray slobbered:

Bill Zenith, Jon Ball both posting from the same place - which looks
familiar. All a bit complicated for a simple soul to assimilate. But I think
they originate from the man with no name, the same man who years ago said
that useless object and jonnie are the same person, throw in abner hale to
make the set and I'll agree. It's about 6 months since ~~jonnie~~ graced
these pages, which coincides with the period of a jail term! Hope you
remained intact. Not your fault really, they all look much older these days,
but the fact that he was wearing short trousers should have given you a
clue.

Bottoms up.

C. James Strutz wrote:
Decided to grace us again with your presence, huh?

You should feel lucky. Blessed, even.

Well, a very tentative
"welcome back" to you.

It's received in the same spirit it was offered. Next time spare me.

I hardly watch network television other than sports and Sunday morning news
shows. Imagine my surprise during an NFL game when a promo ran for "Trading
Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy" showing an animal rights activist/vegan
switching families with a Cajun. This ran in two episodes and the final one
was last night.

The animal rights activist really came off as a complete domineering witch
(or something that rhymes with it). The funniest part last night was when
the animal rights activist lectured the extended Cajun family on how meat
causes cancer but her Gardenburgers cure it, and then she went out on the
back porch to fire up a cigarette.

It's ironic that she abused the Cajuns' dog while she was fixing a vegan
meal. She also ate some fried alligator (which she admitted was pretty
good). Guess she'll have some explaining to do to all her vegan friends
back in San Diego today now that they've seen her abusing a dog and eating
meat on tv. Her vegan friends were very intolerant when they invited the
Cajun mom to their potluck. They rebuked her for her gift of gator heads,
and they made the typically trite and ridiculous analogies ("just because
they're killing puppies at the pounds doesn't mean I want a recycled puppy
head for my house"). What a bunch of self-righteous hussies.

The vegan's henpecked husband and kids were bewildered when she told them
that she ate some meat -- she's the one who forced everyone to go along
with her activism and to parrot her on every point of "compassion." I felt
sorry for the California husband because he was so obviously emasculated
by his self-centered wife, and their kids were faring no better. Oh, when
the Wicked Witch cooked for the extended family, she also provided the
entertainment: a video from PETA. That didn't go over well at all. She
thinks she planted seeds, but she couldn't have made a good impression on
anyone (including viewers).

The Cajun mom, on the other hand, was a genuinely sweet and charming
woman. She was going to make a real gumbo for the extended family until
she found a printout in a cupboard about why the California vegan mom
doesn't eat meat. So she respected the Wicked Vegan Witch and made a
"vegan gumbo" instead. I've tried that. It doesn't really work. Mock meat
is not meat, and mock gumbo is not gumbo.

It only doesn't work if your're trying to compare vegan gumbo to "authentic"
gumbo. Things like gumbo lends itself to variation.

Some variation. Remember, this was a Cajun cooking it -- not some effete yankee
like Emeril Lagasse trying to improvise a Cajun dish. She's not only used to
tradition, she's a product of it. That means using seafood, chicken, andouille,
tasso, and other ingredients from the area she's from. It doesn't mean winging
it with fake chicken, fake shrimp, fake crap, fake sausage, or bland tvp.

I made jambalaya the
other night with quinoa instead of rice and with maitake mushrooms and soy
sausage. It was quite good, but I would never try to pass it off as
"authentic" to a Cajun.

Properly speaking, jambalaya is a Creole dish -- at least the version made with
tomatoes (there's also a "dry" Cajun jambalaya usually prepared with poultry and
sausage but without tomatoes); Creole and Cajun are not synonyms. I wouldn't
even call what you prepared jambalaya. It may have been jambalaya-inspired, but
it was not jambalaya. For starters, it lacked rice -- something so common and
essential to Cajun and Creole cooking which is served (well, dirty rice) in lieu
of french fries or mashed potatoes at many fried chicken joints in Louisiana.
Quinoa is not something used in Cajun or Creole cooking. Period.

It worked for me.

It wouldn't work for most Cajuns.

The California family, all of whom -- including extended family -- were
vegan animal rights activists, didn't seem to care for the spiciness of
the gumbo, nor did they care for her gifts of gator heads (Cajun mom's
father started a swamp tour business that she and her husband now run;
they also have the franchise for processing gator heads for sale to
tourists throughout Louisiana). I did notice, though, that the kids got
over their initial disgust and carried one around and showed it off to
friends and family. Cool!

The irony, of course, is that most animal rights activists live in urban
areas (e.g., San Diego), far away from animals and nature. I thought it
was great to put a vegan/ARA as far away from an urban area as possible.
Can't get much further away than south Louisiana. It made for a very
entertaining two hours and for a very accurate portrayal of whiny,
preachy, hypocritical vegans.

Vegans are more often found around urban areas where there are more educated

Ahh, your snobby elitism shines through.

and like-minded people.

Yes, it is a faddish bandwagon movement.

Most people who call themselves "vegan" rail against
the exploitation of animals that are bred and raised for human consumption,
not so much wildlife.

So vegans are pro-hunting or at least tolerant of hunters? That's news to me.

Ironically, the sprawl of urban areas into rural
habitat is the cornerstone that threatens wildlife the most -

Ipse dixit. The threat to humans exceeds that to wildlife. In addition to our
out-of-control urban deer problem, we not have issues with coyotes in Austin and
central Texas. The problems are unrelated to sprawl -- much of the affected
areas is in or adjacent to the central city.

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2547663

the very
places where more vegans will eventually migrate to.

Vegans should stay in their downtown highrises (intellectual ghettos) and leave
nature to... well, reality.

Nonetheless, it sounds like it was an interesting program.

It was. ABC's similar parent-switching program had a similar episode featuring
an animal rights sympathizer who switched with a rural family in SC or GA. She
forced the husband to remove his taxidermy, for which she'd previously cried
while stroking it and mumbling some prattle about "the innocence of all God's
creatures." Her love of "all God's creatures" didn't extend to her fellow man,
though. It never does. Veganism is misanthropy covered in a thin veneer of false
compassion for other creatures. When you let vegans spew long enough, they
always show their true colors. In both shows -- the Fox version and the ABC
version -- they certainly did.

C. James Strutz wrote:
Decided to grace us again with your presence, huh?

You should feel lucky. Blessed, even.

Well, a very tentative
"welcome back" to you.

It's received in the same spirit it was offered. Next time spare me.

I hardly watch network television other than sports and Sunday morning news
shows. Imagine my surprise during an NFL game when a promo ran for "Trading
Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy" showing an animal rights activist/vegan
switching families with a Cajun. This ran in two episodes and the final one
was last night.

The animal rights activist really came off as a complete domineering witch
(or something that rhymes with it). The funniest part last night was when
the animal rights activist lectured the extended Cajun family on how meat
causes cancer but her Gardenburgers cure it, and then she went out on the
back porch to fire up a cigarette.

It's ironic that she abused the Cajuns' dog while she was fixing a vegan
meal. She also ate some fried alligator (which she admitted was pretty
good). Guess she'll have some explaining to do to all her vegan friends
back in San Diego today now that they've seen her abusing a dog and eating
meat on tv. Her vegan friends were very intolerant when they invited the
Cajun mom to their potluck. They rebuked her for her gift of gator heads,
and they made the typically trite and ridiculous analogies ("just because
they're killing puppies at the pounds doesn't mean I want a recycled puppy
head for my house"). What a bunch of self-righteous hussies.

The vegan's henpecked husband and kids were bewildered when she told them
that she ate some meat -- she's the one who forced everyone to go along
with her activism and to parrot her on every point of "compassion." I felt
sorry for the California husband because he was so obviously emasculated
by his self-centered wife, and their kids were faring no better. Oh, when
the Wicked Witch cooked for the extended family, she also provided the
entertainment: a video from PETA. That didn't go over well at all. She
thinks she planted seeds, but she couldn't have made a good impression on
anyone (including viewers).

The Cajun mom, on the other hand, was a genuinely sweet and charming
woman. She was going to make a real gumbo for the extended family until
she found a printout in a cupboard about why the California vegan mom
doesn't eat meat. So she respected the Wicked Vegan Witch and made a
"vegan gumbo" instead. I've tried that. It doesn't really work. Mock meat
is not meat, and mock gumbo is not gumbo.

It only doesn't work if your're trying to compare vegan gumbo to "authentic"
gumbo. Things like gumbo lends itself to variation.

Some variation. Remember, this was a Cajun cooking it -- not some effete yankee
like Emeril Lagasse trying to improvise a Cajun dish. She's not only used to
tradition, she's a product of it. That means using seafood, chicken, andouille,
tasso, and other ingredients from the area she's from. It doesn't mean winging
it with fake chicken, fake shrimp, fake crap, fake sausage, or bland tvp.

I made jambalaya the
other night with quinoa instead of rice and with maitake mushrooms and soy
sausage. It was quite good, but I would never try to pass it off as
"authentic" to a Cajun.

Properly speaking, jambalaya is a Creole dish -- at least the version made with
tomatoes (there's also a "dry" Cajun jambalaya usually prepared with poultry and
sausage but without tomatoes); Creole and Cajun are not synonyms. I wouldn't
even call what you prepared jambalaya. It may have been jambalaya-inspired, but
it was not jambalaya. For starters, it lacked rice -- something so common and
essential to Cajun and Creole cooking which is served (well, dirty rice) in lieu
of french fries or mashed potatoes at many fried chicken joints in Louisiana.
Quinoa is not something used in Cajun or Creole cooking. Period.

It worked for me.

It wouldn't work for most Cajuns.

The California family, all of whom -- including extended family -- were
vegan animal rights activists, didn't seem to care for the spiciness of
the gumbo, nor did they care for her gifts of gator heads (Cajun mom's
father started a swamp tour business that she and her husband now run;
they also have the franchise for processing gator heads for sale to
tourists throughout Louisiana). I did notice, though, that the kids got
over their initial disgust and carried one around and showed it off to
friends and family. Cool!

The irony, of course, is that most animal rights activists live in urban
areas (e.g., San Diego), far away from animals and nature. I thought it
was great to put a vegan/ARA as far away from an urban area as possible.
Can't get much further away than south Louisiana. It made for a very
entertaining two hours and for a very accurate portrayal of whiny,
preachy, hypocritical vegans.

Vegans are more often found around urban areas where there are more educated

Ahh, your snobby elitism shines through.

and like-minded people.

Yes, it is a faddish bandwagon movement.

Most people who call themselves "vegan" rail against
the exploitation of animals that are bred and raised for human consumption,
not so much wildlife.

So vegans are pro-hunting or at least tolerant of hunters? That's news to me.

Ironically, the sprawl of urban areas into rural
habitat is the cornerstone that threatens wildlife the most -

Ipse dixit. The threat to humans exceeds that to wildlife. In addition to our
out-of-control urban deer problem, we not have issues with coyotes in Austin and
central Texas. The problems are unrelated to sprawl -- much of the affected
areas is in or adjacent to the central city.

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2547663

the very
places where more vegans will eventually migrate to.

Vegans should stay in their downtown highrises (intellectual ghettos) and leave
nature to... well, reality.

Nonetheless, it sounds like it was an interesting program.

It was. ABC's similar parent-switching program had a similar episode featuring
an animal rights sympathizer who switched with a rural family in SC or GA. She
forced the husband to remove his taxidermy, for which she'd previously cried
while stroking it and mumbling some prattle about "the innocence of all God's
creatures." Her love of "all God's creatures" didn't extend to her fellow man,
though. It never does. Veganism is misanthropy covered in a thin veneer of false
compassion for other creatures. When you let vegans spew long enough, they
always show their true colors. In both shows -- the Fox version and the ABC
version -- they certainly did.

Racist Ray wrote:

Drunken (non smoker) Ray slobbered:

You forgot the racist part. How could you?

Bill Zenith, Jon Ball both posting from the same place - which looks
familiar.

I didn't get those Bill Zenith messages on my server, just the one "Reynard"
(Dreck?) posted.

All a bit complicated for a simple soul to assimilate.

You mean a bit complicated for a simpleton like you to assimilate.

But I think
they originate from the man with no name, the same man who years ago said
that useless object and jonnie are the same person, throw in abner hale to
make the set and I'll agree.

Jon and I are two distinct people.

It's about 6 months since ~~jonnie~~ graced
these pages, which coincides with the period of a jail term!

It also coincides with the period of time of summer holidays, elections, etc.

...

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:01:48 +0000 (UTC), "Ray" wrote:
"Reynard" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:01:09 GMT, usual suspect wrote:

Ray wrote:
I would normally say "Welcome Back" but contrary to popular belief - I'm
not a hypocrite. No doubt ~~Jonnie~~ will be along shortly.

What makes you think so?

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Drunken

Oh well.

(non smoker)

Well done! I've been quit since April and reckon I'm well and
truly over it now.

Ray slobbered:

Bill Zenith, Jon Ball both posting from the same place - which looks
familiar. All a bit complicated for a simple soul to assimilate. But I think
they originate from the man with no name, the same man who years ago said
that useless object and jonnie are the same person, throw in abner hale to
make the set and I'll agree. It's about 6 months since ~~jonnie~~ graced
these pages, which coincides with the period of a jail term! Hope you
remained intact. Not your fault really,

Of course. Nothing bad is ever my fault, Ray.

they all look much older these days,

He'll be 53 tomorrow.

but the fact that he was wearing short trousers should have given you a
clue.

Nice Hampteads - shame about his biscuits and cheese.

Bottoms up.

Over my dead body, Ray, but there again, I've had to tolerate
a lot of things I wouldn't normally tolerate lately, especially since
my daughter started storing and cooking meat in my kitchen!

"usual suspect" wrote [..]
It made for a very entertaining two hours and
for a very accurate portrayal of whiny, preachy, hypocritical vegans.

I'm glad you saw it US, I wish everyone here could have. I gave JB a
heads-up to watch the second part, I hope he did. The cajun wife was
tolerant and respectful of the host family, the vegan wife was intolerant
and disrespectful. That is not the first time they have had a vegan family
on the show, the first turned out quite similiar. The contrast between the
families really struck me, basically the cajun family was happy and full of
genuine love and affection and the vegan family lived in self-imposed
close-minded misery.

"usual suspect" wrote [..]
It made for a very entertaining two hours and
for a very accurate portrayal of whiny, preachy, hypocritical vegans.

I'm glad you saw it US, I wish everyone here could have. I gave JB a
heads-up to watch the second part, I hope he did. The cajun wife was
tolerant and respectful of the host family, the vegan wife was intolerant
and disrespectful. That is not the first time they have had a vegan family
on the show, the first turned out quite similiar. The contrast between the
families really struck me, basically the cajun family was happy and full of
genuine love and affection and the vegan family lived in self-imposed
close-minded misery.

"Steve" wrote
usual suspect wrote:

snip

Time to update my usenet filter....

Typical vegan, throw up the walls so nothing can disturb your illusions.

"usual suspect" wrote in message
...
C. James Strutz wrote:
Decided to grace us again with your presence, huh?

You should feel lucky. Blessed, even.

Well, a very tentative "welcome back" to you.

It's received in the same spirit it was offered. Next time spare me.

Just trying to be cautiously friendly. :^)

It only doesn't work if your're trying to compare vegan gumbo to
"authentic" gumbo. Things like gumbo lends itself to variation.

Some variation. Remember, this was a Cajun cooking it -- not some effete
yankee like Emeril Lagasse trying to improvise a Cajun dish. She's not
only used to tradition, she's a product of it. That means using seafood,
chicken, andouille, tasso, and other ingredients from the area she's from.
It doesn't mean winging it with fake chicken, fake shrimp, fake crap, fake
sausage, or bland tvp.

Oh, so only Cajuns can prepare Cajun food?

I made jambalaya the other night with quinoa instead of rice and with
maitake mushrooms and soy sausage. It was quite good, but I would never
try to pass it off as "authentic" to a Cajun.

Properly speaking, jambalaya is a Creole dish -- at least the version made
with tomatoes (there's also a "dry" Cajun jambalaya usually prepared with
poultry and sausage but without tomatoes); Creole and Cajun are not
synonyms.

Yes, I was aware of the difference. Though they often seem to be associated
together.

I wouldn't even call what you prepared jambalaya. It may have been
jambalaya-inspired, but it was not jambalaya. For starters, it lacked
rice -- something so common and essential to Cajun and Creole cooking
which is served (well, dirty rice) in lieu of french fries or mashed
potatoes at many fried chicken joints in Louisiana. Quinoa is not
something used in Cajun or Creole cooking. Period.

It worked for me.

It wouldn't work for most Cajuns.

You mean Creoles, not Cajuns.

Vegans are more often found around urban areas where there are more
educated

Ahh, your snobby elitism shines through.

Much like your snobby distinction between "authentic" jambalaya and
"inspired" jambalaya.

Most people who call themselves "vegan" rail against the exploitation of
animals that are bred and raised for human consumption, not so much
wildlife.

So vegans are pro-hunting or at least tolerant of hunters? That's news to
me.

I meant to say that most of the vegan propaganda focuses more on domestic
animals for human consumption than on wildlife. That's not to say that
vegans are proponents of hunting.

Ironically, the sprawl of urban areas into rural habitat is the
cornerstone that threatens wildlife the most -

Ipse dixit. The threat to humans exceeds that to wildlife. In addition to
our out-of-control urban deer problem, we not have issues with coyotes in
Austin and central Texas. The problems are unrelated to sprawl -- much of
the affected areas is in or adjacent to the central city.

Okay, but you're dancing around the issue that urban sprawl IS an issue that
effects wildlife.

the very places where more vegans will eventually migrate to.

Vegans should stay in their downtown highrises (intellectual ghettos) and
leave nature to... well, reality.

More snobbery....

When you let vegans spew long enough, they always show their true colors.

Much like somebody else we all know...

"usual suspect" wrote in message
...
C. James Strutz wrote:
Decided to grace us again with your presence, huh?

You should feel lucky. Blessed, even.

Well, a very tentative "welcome back" to you.

It's received in the same spirit it was offered. Next time spare me.

Just trying to be cautiously friendly. :^)

It only doesn't work if your're trying to compare vegan gumbo to
"authentic" gumbo. Things like gumbo lends itself to variation.

Some variation. Remember, this was a Cajun cooking it -- not some effete
yankee like Emeril Lagasse trying to improvise a Cajun dish. She's not
only used to tradition, she's a product of it. That means using seafood,
chicken, andouille, tasso, and other ingredients from the area she's from.
It doesn't mean winging it with fake chicken, fake shrimp, fake crap, fake
sausage, or bland tvp.

Oh, so only Cajuns can prepare Cajun food?

I made jambalaya the other night with quinoa instead of rice and with
maitake mushrooms and soy sausage. It was quite good, but I would never
try to pass it off as "authentic" to a Cajun.

Properly speaking, jambalaya is a Creole dish -- at least the version made
with tomatoes (there's also a "dry" Cajun jambalaya usually prepared with
poultry and sausage but without tomatoes); Creole and Cajun are not
synonyms.

Yes, I was aware of the difference. Though they often seem to be associated
together.

I wouldn't even call what you prepared jambalaya. It may have been
jambalaya-inspired, but it was not jambalaya. For starters, it lacked
rice -- something so common and essential to Cajun and Creole cooking
which is served (well, dirty rice) in lieu of french fries or mashed
potatoes at many fried chicken joints in Louisiana. Quinoa is not
something used in Cajun or Creole cooking. Period.

It worked for me.

It wouldn't work for most Cajuns.

You mean Creoles, not Cajuns.

Vegans are more often found around urban areas where there are more
educated

Ahh, your snobby elitism shines through.

Much like your snobby distinction between "authentic" jambalaya and
"inspired" jambalaya.

Most people who call themselves "vegan" rail against the exploitation of
animals that are bred and raised for human consumption, not so much
wildlife.

So vegans are pro-hunting or at least tolerant of hunters? That's news to
me.

I meant to say that most of the vegan propaganda focuses more on domestic
animals for human consumption than on wildlife. That's not to say that
vegans are proponents of hunting.

Ironically, the sprawl of urban areas into rural habitat is the
cornerstone that threatens wildlife the most -

Ipse dixit. The threat to humans exceeds that to wildlife. In addition to
our out-of-control urban deer problem, we not have issues with coyotes in
Austin and central Texas. The problems are unrelated to sprawl -- much of
the affected areas is in or adjacent to the central city.

Okay, but you're dancing around the issue that urban sprawl IS an issue that
effects wildlife.

the very places where more vegans will eventually migrate to.

Vegans should stay in their downtown highrises (intellectual ghettos) and
leave nature to... well, reality.

More snobbery....

When you let vegans spew long enough, they always show their true colors.

Much like somebody else we all know...