I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

"patricia" wrote in message
m...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

Post the recipe.

-Rubystars

"patricia" wrote in message
m...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts, or the odd
recipe (isn't baklava made with honey? or is it maple syrup? mmm...)
otherwise, i don't really miss it.

"patricia" wrote in message
m...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

would love to try it - if you post it!

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

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wrote:


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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

From "PETA Eats" at:
http://www.petaeats.com/recipeshow.asp?RequestID=382

"Chicken" Cacciatore
Courtesy of Cynthia Wesley
Makes 6 servings

12 oz. faux chicken (try Nate's Chicken-Style Meatless
Nuggets or Worthington's Chic-Ketts-www.kelloggs.com)"

Seems a bit hypocritical for PETA to be passing out recipes that use
products that are processed to look or taste like meat. After all,
the very idea of eating animal flesh is supposed to be repulsive to
them for moral reasons.

It is repulsive for moral reasons, but the -taste- of some of those
'meat substitutes' can also be repulsive to people who are _over_
the meat habit, as I found out at a friend's place the other week-
Linda McCartney's burgers I think- it looked and tasted so much
like meat that one bite was all I could manage! Yet such products
may be helpful to the many in the process of reducing or eliminating
meat-consumption. I've always thought that it is the flavour of the
herbs and spices used that make certain meat products tasty, and
indeed so-called 'meat-substitutes' can taste very (even too) similar.

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 14:47:50 GMT, Common Man not.public@ wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:10:05 GMT, "Rubystars"
wrote:


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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

From "PETA Eats" at:
http://www.petaeats.com/recipeshow.asp?RequestID=382

"Chicken” Cacciatore
Courtesy of Cynthia Wesley
Makes 6 servings

12 oz. faux chicken (try Nate’s Chicken-Style Meatless
Nuggets or Worthington’s Chic-Ketts—www.kelloggs.com)"

Seems a bit hypocritical for PETA to be passing out recipes that use
products that are processed to look or taste like meat. After all,
the very idea of eating animal flesh is supposed to be repulsive to
them for moral reasons.

They pretend to promote "Animal Rights", but they contribute to
animal deaths in most of the same ways everyone else does by using
wood and paper products, electricity, vegetable products, roads and
buildings, products which are mined, etc. They also kill plenty of dogs
and cats, and would like to see an epidemic of foot and mouth disease
in the US.
__________________________________________________ _______
[...]
In a July 2000 Associated Press story, reporter Matthew Barakat described
government reports showing that PETA itself killed 1,325 -- or 63 percent --
of the dogs and cats entrusted to it in 1999. The state of Virginia expected
those animals to be placed in adoptive homes. Only 386 of them ever were.
[...]
http://www.nfss.org/Legis/Peta-AA/pet-4.html
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Web posted Friday, April 27, 2001
State Veterinarian, PETA Head Differ On Outbreak
[...]
On Thursday, Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment
of Animals, renewed her claim that an outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease
in the United States would benefit herds by sparing them from a tortured
existence and the slaughterhouse.

A PETA spokesman said it's inconceivable that anyone would fail to see
the sense of Newkirk's statements, which have rankled politicians and
livestock farmers from Texas to Canada.

[...]
In a telephone interview from Richmond, Va., Newkirk reiterated her
hope that foot-and-mouth -- which has ravaged herds in Europe -- reaches
U.S. shores.

''It's a peculiar and disturbing thing to say, but it would be less than truthful
if I pretended otherwise,'' she said.

People would be better off without meat because it is tied to a host of
ailments, Newkirk said. And animals would benefit because the current
means of raising and slaughtering livestock are ''grotesquely cruel from
start to finish.''
[...]
http://www.pressanddakotan.com/stori...427010026.html
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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 13:58:07 GMT, Common Man not.public@ wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:10:05 GMT, "Rubystars"
wrote:


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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

But what about vegans that eat such products?

Then in a lot of cases they aren't vegans. All of the "meatless chicken"
that I've seen contains egg whites, so they're contributing to battery farming.
If they ate broiler chickens, then at least they would be contributing to birds
raised in open houses instead of confined to tiny cages.
Of course if they ate grass raised beef, they could feed hundreds of people
from the life and death of the one animal. Each person who eats the fake
chicken is probably contributing to as many--and in some cases more--deaths
than hundreds of them would eating grass raised beef. But we know veg*ns
don't care even a tiny bit about things like that.

The post originally
appeared in alt.food.vegan.

wrote in message
...


They pretend to promote "Animal Rights", but they contribute to
animal deaths....

Animal rightists promote hatred, just as racists, and even some sexists
might. The animals are just an excuse to hate other cultures (e.g. Halal
slaughter issues), other nations (e.g. Spanish bullfighting remains an
issue for UK ARists, but apparently isn't a major issue for other European
environmental groups. They promote hatred of other races, eg. Japanese
consumption of dolphins and whales. They promoted hatred of techological
progress, e.g. animal based research, this can even spill over into hatred
of farming, of GM, indeed of pretty much anything they don't understand -
which is most things.

In the UK ARism is largely urban based, i.e. where folks have little
contact with animals but where people live in close proximity to others,
other people that they can't, or won't, take the trouble to understand, so
ignorant young whites turn to racism, or AR, or both. Hopefully it will
soon pass. and angry young urbanites will learn to love each other.

Michael Saunby

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's.
is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

But what about vegans that eat such products? The post originally
appeared in alt.food.vegan.

I would say most vegans don't give up on meat or other animal products
because they don't like them. They give it up for either AR reasons, or for
health related reasons. There's nothing inherently "bad" about the taste or
texture of meat.

-Rubystars

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 01:10:05 GMT, "Rubystars"
wrote:


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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's.
is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

From "PETA Eats" at:
http://www.petaeats.com/recipeshow.asp?RequestID=382

"Chicken" Cacciatore
Courtesy of Cynthia Wesley
Makes 6 servings

12 oz. faux chicken (try Nate's Chicken-Style Meatless
Nuggets or Worthington's Chic-Ketts-www.kelloggs.com)"

Seems a bit hypocritical for PETA to be passing out recipes that use
products that are processed to look or taste like meat. After all,
the very idea of eating animal flesh is supposed to be repulsive to
them for moral reasons.

Why would the taste or texture of meat be repulsive? Most people like it.
They're not eating animal flesh.

-Rubystars

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On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 03:55:12 GMT, "katie"
wrote:


"patricia" wrote in message
om...
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat, they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

-Rubystars

From "PETA Eats" at:
http://www.petaeats.com/recipeshow.asp?RequestID=382

"Chicken" Cacciatore
Courtesy of Cynthia Wesley
Makes 6 servings

12 oz. faux chicken (try Nate's Chicken-Style Meatless
Nuggets or Worthington's Chic-Ketts-www.kelloggs.com)"

Seems a bit hypocritical for PETA to be passing out recipes that use
products that are processed to look or taste like meat. After all,
the very idea of eating animal flesh is supposed to be repulsive to
them for moral reasons.

It is repulsive for moral reasons, but the -taste- of some of those
'meat substitutes' can also be repulsive to people who are _over_
the meat habit, as I found out at a friend's place the other week-
Linda McCartney's burgers I think- it looked and tasted so much
like meat that one bite was all I could manage!

Then you would seem to be one of the few exceptions. After all, if
most vegans felt as you do there wouldn't be much demand for "vegan
meat" products in the first place.

That type really tasted like -meat-, not just the usual herb/spice taste.

Yet such products
may be helpful to the many in the process of reducing or eliminating
meat-consumption.

"In the process"? If eating meat is so morally repulsive, then why
the need for a weaning period?

Fat is a primary reinforcer,- meaning we're programmed from birth
to like it. Any fat. Researchers have even found changes in the
brain from eating fat similar to those produced by the use of opiates.

I've always thought that it is the flavour of the
herbs and spices used that make certain meat products tasty, and
indeed so-called 'meat-substitutes' can taste very (even too) similar.

If the eating meat products are morally wrong, then eating such
substitutes should also be considered morally wrong. In the case of
morals, thoughts also count.

Silly.

I don't think that these products do usually taste like meat, but
like the herb and spice flavourings that are used with the meat.
I thought it was a well-known fact that herbs and spices were
initially used in cuisine in order to disguise the taste and smell
of putrid and rancid meat.

Rubystars wrote:
I got this recipe from my grandmother to make honey without bee's. is
that something that people would be interesting buying as an
alternative to honey tastes pretty much the same as the real thing?
thanks

it might be good for those occasional veg chickn' nugget feasts,

"veg chickn' nugget feasts"? What's the point of being vegan and then
eating food processed to look and taste like animal flesh?

A lot of vegetarians enjoy the taste and texture of meat,

Aside for medical reasons, then why do they give it up?

they just don't
eat genuine meat for one reason or another.

Then why can't cubic zirconias be a girl's best friend?

puta loca wrote:

...
I've always thought that it is the flavour of the
herbs and spices used that make certain meat products tasty,

Most people like the taste of flesh for, and often by, itself.

and
indeed so-called 'meat-substitutes' can taste very (even too) similar.

Such flavor is based on the use of yeast extracts and other flavoring agents,
not herbs and spices. You use herbs and spices on your vegetables and grains,
right? They don't end up tasting like meat.

puta loca wrote:
...
That type really tasted like -meat-,

Have you ever *not* had the taste of someone's meat in your mouth? What about
that butcher you visited last year? You never told me if he let you touch his meat.

not just the usual herb/spice taste.

Veg-ns aren't buying those things for herbs and spices, they demand stuff that
tastes like real meat.

...
I thought it was a well-known fact that herbs and spices were
initially used in cuisine in order to disguise the taste and smell
of putrid and rancid meat.

No. Throw it out if it's putrid or rancid. Fresh meat doesn't have an
off-putting smell, and fresh fish smells like the sea rather than your crotch.