Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Richard

Richard Miller wrote:

Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Don't use something in its place. Use a good
mayonnaise when the recipe calls for it.

"Richard Miller" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Richard



Veganaise is good, dense and creamy like real mayonnaise without that awful
greasy sulphur-like eggy taste (imo). It does have 9 grams of fat per
tablespoon.
http://www.followyourheart.com/ingre...rit_facts.html

You can also Google this group and find many recipes for homemade
alternatives.

Good Luck
-nancy-

In article .net,
Richard Miller wrote:

This is a vegan news group
snip
"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message

You must be new here. Jonathan Ball is a notorious troll. Just killfile
him and don't bother responding.

Don't top post.

Richard Miller wrote:
This is a vegan news group and the reason for the question is mayonnaise has
too many calories

As opposed to fake mayonnaise? Even tofu-based versions, which are by
definition not mayonnaise, contain a lot of fat calories. Calorically
speaking, tofu is 50% fat. Use mustard if you're worried about calories.

and animal products.

You mean eggs? Eggs are *barely* animal products. If liberals are
correct that abortion doesn't kill humans, then those eggs sure can't be
chickens. You may as well eat them. Be consistent, liberal.

If you make potato salad and use
mayonnaise in it, you might as well go to burger king.

Non sequitur. BK doesn't have potato salad. BK does have veggie burgers,
and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.

Richard


"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Richard Miller wrote:


Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Don't use something in its place. Use a good
mayonnaise when the recipe calls for it.

"usual suspect" wrote in message
news
C. James Strutz wrote:
"Each to his own";

Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.

A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.

Your opinion.

everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
chickens or not without being politically labeled.

And what's your position on that issue, James?

Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me.
I
eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.

Is an egg sentient?

I don't think so.

I
think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
extenuating circumstances.

Which extenuating circumstances are those?

Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is threatened
are two examples that I can think of.

Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
the
vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now.

If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo?

I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??

Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?

Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to me.

Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.

No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.

You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
restaurants.

Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food
police
in any of the restaurants here.

Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

Did you ever try it?

BK does have veggie burgers,
and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.

And the point is??

The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.

Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.

Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.

C. James Strutz wrote:

"usual suspect" wrote in message
news
C. James Strutz wrote:

"Each to his own";

Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.

A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.


Your opinion.

He has demonstrated that his opinions merit
consideration. Yours don't.

Your belief that a generalization is only a ("mere")
opinion is false. Try this one: "Americans speak
English." "Fact" or "'mere' opinion"? GENERALLY true,
or GENERALLY false?

You stupid putz.

I have a friend who used to be like you. I'd make a
generalization, and after moment's reflection - but he
should have taken 10 minutes - he'd complain that I had
made a generalization. I'd always laugh and say, "You
don't *really* object to my having made a
generalization; you merely don't LIKE the
generalization I made!"

And that's true with you, SeeJames. You don't *really*
object to generalizations, whether of fact or opinion,
because you make them yourself: "Generalizing specific
groups of people is always a bad thing to do" is,
itself, a generalization. It is a generalized OPINION,
not a "fact" as you stupidly claimed.

No, you (I can't resist!) generally don't object to
generalizations; you merely objected to the PARTICULAR
generalization I made, because you felt, correctly,
that it was saying something unflattering about you.
Your feeling, however, does not alter the truth and
usefulness of the generalization. In fact, your
feeling is wholly irrelevant.


I eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.

Is an egg sentient?


I don't think so.

So you approve of human abortion, then.



I think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
extenuating circumstances.

Which extenuating circumstances are those?


Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is threatened
are two examples that I can think of.

So, the production of your food doesn't qualify, and
the collateral deaths of sentient animals in the course
of that production is, unequivocally in your view,
morally wrong. So, why do you participate in this orgy
of death that you *necessarily* view as morally wrong?



Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
the vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now.

If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to you, why are eggs so
taboo?


I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??

More to the point, why are the collateral deaths of
animals that are NOT covered by your weasel-worded
"extenuating circumstances" morally acceptable to you?



Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?


Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to me.

What's the difference between that and eggs? Animal
protein is animal protein.



Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.


No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.

You didn't obviate anything, SeeJames; I don't believe
you even know what the word means. What you did was
jump into a stinking cesspool of hypocrisy, so that
your nose is almost covered by the slime. You have
said you think it's wrong to kill sentient animals
except "under [SIC] extenuating circumstances", yet you
cheerily participate in the killing of massive numbers
of sentient animals whose deaths aren't covered by your
"extenuating circumstances". Maybe my cesspool
metaphor isn't the best; perhaps I should point out
that you are on the horns of a classic dilemma. Either:

- your willing participation in collateral deaths of
sentient animals means you don't REALLY believe it's
morally wrong, and so you are a liar, which is evil; or

- your casual participation, a participation that is
ENTIRELY unnecessary, means you're knowingly and thus
voluntarily helping to kill sentient animals in
violation of your moral beliefs, which makes you evil.


So??? Which is it, SeeJames? Hypocrisy and lying,
which are evil, or deliberate violation, which is evil?



You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
restaurants.

Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food
police in any of the restaurants here.

Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

Those laws, of course, are shams. Their intent isn't
really to protect public health; it's to prevent
competition.



Did you ever try it?


BK does have veggie burgers,
and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.

And the point is??

The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.

Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.


Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.

This is an aesthetic judgment, that's all. You don't
have any substantive objection to the place, you're
just trying to show you're stylish, according to your
political beliefs. Ho-hum.

C. James Strutz wrote:
"Each to his own";

Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.

A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.

Your opinion.

My well-reasoned opinion based on keen observance of others. Do you care
to challenge it on its merits or just impugn it on its surface?

everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
chickens or not without being politically labeled.

And what's your position on that issue, James?

Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me.
I
eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.

Is an egg sentient?

I don't think so.

When does an egg's contents become sentient?

I
think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
extenuating circumstances.

Which extenuating circumstances are those?

Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is threatened
are two examples that I can think of.

I just read Jon's response. Answer his question, and please do it in a
civil manner this time.

Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
the
vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now.

If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo?

I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??

Re-read this thread and note your point of interjection.

Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?

Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to me.

The question was, Why is anything else... unacceptable? I can list
plant-derived foods which are much more injurious to health than eggs or
lean meats. Sugar comes to mind. Do you ever use sugar or sweeteners?

Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.

No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.

I see it as a fair point, not merely troll fodder.

You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
restaurants.

Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food
police
in any of the restaurants here.

Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

Did you ever try it?

Some restaurants here, particularly near campus, have signs posted
because students like to grab something from one establishment and join
friends eating at another. One way they've accomodated customers is by
putting tables outside, but this has caused some problems with the
city's overzealous zone compliance officers.

BK does have veggie burgers,
and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.

And the point is??

The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.

Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.

Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.

Why not? Why would you eat commercially prepared foods like PowerBars
and turn your nose at BK?

Benny Hannah wrote:
David Marx wrote:

Jon Lindsay, an AMERICAN, wrote:

Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Richard




Making your own is always fun, that way you can experiment with the
flavours you like.


Stop with the affected British spellings, Jon. Write FLAVORS, not
"flavours". You are not British.


What's more, that Yank even uses "whilst" in sentences. You snipped this:
Blend together whilst adding 2 - 4 teaspoons of Vinegar or Lemon
juice.

Good eyes; good catch. I saw "flavours" and didn't
look further.

We both missed "soya" milk. Americans just call it soy
milk.

In past recipes, Jon sometimes uses the Britishism
"bring to the boil", instead of the American "bring to
a boil", e.g. http://snipurl.com/4foa Note in that
same recipe, he refers to soy cream, not "soya" cream.

He's a pompous, pretentious ass.


He also left an n out of mayonnaise. Funny since he adds letters to pass
himself off as a Brit.

That was probably just a typo; I do tha al th tim.

usual suspect wrote:

C. James Strutz wrote:

"Each to his own";


Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.


A generalization...


Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.


Your opinion.


My well-reasoned opinion based on keen observance of others. Do you care
to challenge it on its merits or just impugn it on its surface?

Heh heh heh. He KNOWS he can't really tackle it on its
merits, which is why he's pulling a Sophist Boob Black
maneuver here and arguing essentially on form only. As
I've noted already, SeeJames doesn't *really* dislike
generalizations; that is, he doesn't (faw faw faw!)
*generally* dislike them; he just likes this particular
one we've stated, because it hurts his feelings.


everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
chickens or not without being politically labeled.


And what's your position on that issue, James?


Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with
me.

I

eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.


Is an egg sentient?


I don't think so.


When does an egg's contents become sentient?

I
think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
extenuating circumstances.


Which extenuating circumstances are those?


Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is threatened
are two examples that I can think of.


I just read Jon's response. Answer his question, and please do it in a
civil manner this time.

Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of
producing

the

vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now.


If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo?


I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??


Re-read this thread and note your point of interjection.

Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?


Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to
me.


The question was, Why is anything else... unacceptable? I can list
plant-derived foods which are much more injurious to health than eggs or
lean meats. Sugar comes to mind. Do you ever use sugar or sweeteners?

Sorry...


You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.


No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.


I see it as a fair point, not merely troll fodder.

You can always take your own potato salad to BK.


Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
restaurants.


Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food

police

in any of the restaurants here.


Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.


Did you ever try it?


Some restaurants here, particularly near campus, have signs posted
because students like to grab something from one establishment and join
friends eating at another. One way they've accomodated customers is by
putting tables outside, but this has caused some problems with the
city's overzealous zone compliance officers.

BK does have veggie burgers,
and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.


And the point is??


The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr
Marcus
approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.


Then I will. BK sucks.


You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.


Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.


Why not? Why would you eat commercially prepared foods like PowerBars
and turn your nose at BK?

David Marx wrote:
Jon Lindsay, an AMERICAN, wrote:

Best food mayonnaise is what everyone uses. So what can we use in it's
place?

Richard





Making your own is always fun, that way you can experiment with the
flavours you like.



Stop with the affected British spellings, Jon. Write FLAVORS, not
"flavours". You are not British.


What's more, that Yank even uses "whilst" in sentences. You snipped this:
Blend together whilst adding 2 - 4 teaspoons of Vinegar or Lemon
juice.

Good eyes; good catch. I saw "flavours" and didn't look further.

We both missed "soya" milk. Americans just call it soy milk.

Yep.

In past recipes, Jon sometimes uses the Britishism "bring to the boil",
instead of the American "bring to a boil", e.g. http://snipurl.com/4foa
Note in that same recipe, he refers to soy cream, not "soya" cream.

He's a pompous, pretentious ass.


He also left an n out of mayonnaise. Funny since he adds letters to
pass himself off as a Brit.


That was probably just a typo; I do tha al th tim.


He spelled it that way twice, so I'm sure he meant that. Of course,
he'll probably deny he "spelt" it that way. (Spelt is a *grain*, not
past tense for spell.)

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
k.net...

No, you (I can't resist!) generally don't object to
generalizations; you merely objected to the PARTICULAR
generalization I made, because you felt, correctly,
that it was saying something unflattering about you.

No, I didn't take it personally. All I'm trying to say in all of this is
that you can't rightfully generalize all vegans as religious fanatics. Stop
with the rant on generalizations already.

Your feeling, however, does not alter the truth and
usefulness of the generalization. In fact, your
feeling is wholly irrelevant.

It's relevant to me...

Maybe my cesspool
metaphor isn't the best; perhaps I should point out
that you are on the horns of a classic dilemma. Either:

- your willing participation in collateral deaths of
sentient animals means you don't REALLY believe it's
morally wrong, and so you are a liar, which is evil; or

- your casual participation, a participation that is
ENTIRELY unnecessary, means you're knowingly and thus
voluntarily helping to kill sentient animals in
violation of your moral beliefs, which makes you evil.


So??? Which is it, SeeJames? Hypocrisy and lying,
which are evil, or deliberate violation, which is evil?

What is with you? Abusing people for your own cheap amusement is evil.

"usual suspect" wrote in message
...
C. James Strutz wrote:
"Each to his own";

Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.

A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.

Your opinion.

My well-reasoned opinion based on keen observance of others. Do you care
to challenge it on its merits or just impugn it on its surface?

I'm not impugning anything, just disagreeing with your opinion.

Is an egg sentient?

I don't think so.

When does an egg's contents become sentient?

I don't know.

Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is
threatened
are two examples that I can think of.

I just read Jon's response. Answer his question, and please do it in a
civil manner this time.

If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo?

I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??

Re-read this thread and note your point of interjection.

Whatever you're reading into what I wrote is wrong. I don't consider eggs to
be taboo.

Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?

Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to
me.

The question was, Why is anything else... unacceptable? I can list
plant-derived foods which are much more injurious to health than eggs or
lean meats. Sugar comes to mind. Do you ever use sugar or sweeteners?

Can't you ever just respect people's opinions and preferences? I don't care
to eat meat - is that okay with you?

Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.

No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.

I see it as a fair point, not merely troll fodder.

It was troll fodder.

Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

Did you ever try it?

Some restaurants here, particularly near campus, have signs posted
because students like to grab something from one establishment and join
friends eating at another. One way they've accomodated customers is by
putting tables outside, but this has caused some problems with the
city's overzealous zone compliance officers.

Bummer...

Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.

Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.

Why not? Why would you eat commercially prepared foods like PowerBars
and turn your nose at BK?

I hardly ever eat PowerBars and I never eat at BK.

C. James Strutz wrote:

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
k.net...


No, you (I can't resist!) generally don't object to
generalizations; you merely objected to the PARTICULAR
generalization I made, because you felt, correctly,
that it was saying something unflattering about you.


No, I didn't take it personally.

Yes, you did.

All I'm trying to say in all of this is
that you can't rightfully generalize all vegans as religious fanatics.

Yes, I can, and I did. My generalization is correct:
"vegans" are what they are for religious reasons.

Stop with the rant on generalizations already.

No, I won't stop. It demonstrates several bad traits
about you, and I rather like it.



Your feeling, however, does not alter the truth and
usefulness of the generalization. In fact, your
feeling is wholly irrelevant.


It's relevant to me...

It's wholly irrelevant to everyone else, and it is
wholly irrelevant to the truth of my generalization.



Maybe my cesspool
metaphor isn't the best; perhaps I should point out
that you are on the horns of a classic dilemma. Either:

- your willing participation in collateral deaths of
sentient animals means you don't REALLY believe it's
morally wrong, and so you are a liar, which is evil; or

- your casual participation, a participation that is
ENTIRELY unnecessary, means you're knowingly and thus
voluntarily helping to kill sentient animals in
violation of your moral beliefs, which makes you evil.


So??? Which is it, SeeJames? Hypocrisy and lying,
which are evil, or deliberate violation, which is evil?


What is with you? Abusing people for your own cheap amusement is evil.

I'm not abusing anyone, and I'm not doing this for my
amusement (which doesn't come cheap, by the way.) I am
doing this to demolish your fatuous ethical pose, which
I view as a menace.

You didn't answer the question, SeeJames. Let's repose
it. Either:

- your willing participation in collateral deaths of
sentient animals means you don't REALLY believe it's
morally wrong, and so you are a liar, which is evil; or

- your casual participation, a participation that is
ENTIRELY unnecessary, means you're knowingly and thus
voluntarily helping to kill sentient animals in
violation of your moral beliefs, which makes you evil.


So??? Which is it, SeeJames? Hypocrisy and lying,
which are evil, or deliberate violation, which is evil?

C. James Strutz wrote:

"usual suspect" wrote in message
...

C. James Strutz wrote:


A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.

Your opinion.

My well-reasoned opinion based on keen observance of others. Do you care
to challenge it on its merits or just impugn it on its surface?


I'm not impugning anything, just disagreeing with your opinion.

Your disagreement isn't based on any rational analysis
of his opinion. It is based solely on your "feelings"
that the opinion provokes.



Is an egg sentient?

I don't think so.

When does an egg's contents become sentient?


I don't know.

Don't you think you *ought* to know, if you're going to
use sentience as the basis for deciding if it's right
or wrong to kill something?



Capital punishment, and in self defense when someone's life is
threatened are two examples that I can think of.

I just read Jon's response. Answer his question, and please do it in a
civil manner this time.


If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo?

I told you that I occasionally eat eggs. Where do you get "taboo" from??

Re-read this thread and note your point of interjection.


Whatever you're reading into what I wrote is wrong. I don't consider eggs to
be taboo.

So, you have no ethical problem with eating mayonnaise.
Then, why would you intercede on behalf of someone
who does?



Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?

Mostly for health concerns. Eating animal flesh also doesn't appeal to me.

The question was, Why is anything else... unacceptable? I can list
plant-derived foods which are much more injurious to health than eggs or
lean meats. Sugar comes to mind. Do you ever use sugar or sweeteners?


Can't you ever just respect people's opinions and preferences? I don't care
to eat meat - is that okay with you?

Of course your choice not to eat meat is okay. It's
the shoddy reasoning behind the choice that isn't okay.



Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.

No, I was apologizing for obviating their troll fodder.

I see it as a fair point, not merely troll fodder.


It was troll fodder.

In your feelings-based opinion. In fact, it was not
troll fodder.



Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

Did you ever try it?

Some restaurants here, particularly near campus, have signs posted
because students like to grab something from one establishment and join
friends eating at another. One way they've accomodated customers is by
putting tables outside, but this has caused some problems with the
city's overzealous zone compliance officers.


Bummer...


Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.

Maybe so, but I wouldn't go there even if they did.

Why not? Why would you eat commercially prepared foods like PowerBars
and turn your nose at BK?


I hardly ever eat PowerBars and I never eat at BK.

Why would you eat at any commercially prepared foods
but turn your nose at BK?