"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Don't top post.
>
> Richard Miller wrote:
> > This is a vegan news group and the reason for the question is mayonnaise
has
> > too many calories
>
> As opposed to fake mayonnaise? Even tofu-based versions, which are by
> definition not mayonnaise, contain a lot of fat calories. Calorically
> speaking, tofu is 50% fat. Use mustard if you're worried about calories.

At least tofu has very little saturated fat.

> > and animal products.
>
> You mean eggs? Eggs are *barely* animal products. If liberals are
> correct that abortion doesn't kill humans, then those eggs sure can't be
> chickens. You may as well eat them. Be consistent, liberal.

"Each to his own"; everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
chickens or not without being politically labeled.

> > If you make potato salad and use
> > mayonnaise in it, you might as well go to burger king.
>
> Non sequitur. BK doesn't have potato salad.

You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

> BK does have veggie burgers,
> and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.

And the point is??

C. James Strutz wrote:
>>Don't top post.
>>
>>Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>>This is a vegan news group and the reason for the question is mayonnaise
>
> has
>
>>>too many calories
>>
>>As opposed to fake mayonnaise? Even tofu-based versions, which are by
>>definition not mayonnaise, contain a lot of fat calories. Calorically
>>speaking, tofu is 50% fat. Use mustard if you're worried about calories.
>
> At least tofu has very little saturated fat.

True, but it's still pretty fatty even raw:

Mean value per 100.00 grams edible part; 0.0% refuse
Portions: 1/4 BLOCK = 116.00 gm, 1/2 C = 124.00 gm
51.8% Cals from fat, 39.8% Cals from protein, 8.3% Cals from carbs.
Male Female
Name Unit Amount %RDA %RDA
Food energy KCal: 76.000 2.6% 3.5%
Protein Gms : 8.080 12.8% 16.2%
Total lipid (fat) Gms : 4.780 4.9% 6.5%
Carbohydrate, by diff. Gms : 1.880 0.4% 0.6%
Total saturated fat Gms : 0.691 2.1% 2.8%

>>>and animal products.
>>
>>You mean eggs? Eggs are *barely* animal products. If liberals are
>>correct that abortion doesn't kill humans, then those eggs sure can't be
>>chickens. You may as well eat them. Be consistent, liberal.
>
> "Each to his own";

Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
comes to ethics.

> everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
> chickens or not without being politically labeled.

And what's your position on that issue, James?

>>>If you make potato salad and use
>>>mayonnaise in it, you might as well go to burger king.
>>
>>Non sequitur. BK doesn't have potato salad.
>
> You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
restaurants.

>>BK does have veggie burgers,
>>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
>
> And the point is??

The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.

C. James Strutz wrote:

> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Don't top post.
>>
>>Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>>This is a vegan news group and the reason for the question is mayonnaise
>
> has
>
>>>too many calories
>>
>>As opposed to fake mayonnaise? Even tofu-based versions, which are by
>>definition not mayonnaise, contain a lot of fat calories. Calorically
>>speaking, tofu is 50% fat. Use mustard if you're worried about calories.
>
>
> At least tofu has very little saturated fat.

So does mayonnaise. While 1 tablespoon of Trader Joe's
real mayonnaise has 12g of fat, equivalent to 19% of
the recommended daily fat intake, there is only 1g of
saturated fat, for 4% of the recommended daily
saturated fat intake.

By contrast, there are some very good sausages at TJs
that, even though they're made from chicken, have an
astoundingly high percentage of saturated fat. I mean,
one sausage may provide 30-something percent of daily
total fat, but about 50% of daily saturated fat.

Four percent in a tablespoon of mayonnaise doesn't seem
all that much to me, especially if one otherwise
follows a vegetarian diet, which one might for health
reasons. Virtually NO ONE needs to follow a *strictly*
vegetarian diet for health reasons; one might easily be
close to completely vegetarian, never eating meat or
eggs or dairy as a main course, but using small amounts
of dairy and eggs as ingredients...and not FREAKING OUT
about it.

>
>
>>>and animal products.
>>
>>You mean eggs? Eggs are *barely* animal products. If liberals are
>>correct that abortion doesn't kill humans, then those eggs sure can't be
>>chickens. You may as well eat them. Be consistent, liberal.
>
>
> "Each to his own"; everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
> chickens or not without being politically labeled.

No. That's EXACTLY what they must be labeled.

>
>
>>>If you make potato salad and use
>>>mayonnaise in it, you might as well go to burger king.
>>
>>Non sequitur. BK doesn't have potato salad.
>
>
> You can always take your own potato salad to BK.

Another non sequitur.

>
>
>>BK does have veggie burgers,
>>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
>
>
> And the point is??

The point is, the OP's horror at BK is misplaced, and
indicative of his elevation of form over substance.
That's not surprising, as "veganism" is ENTIRELY about
form, at the expense of substance.

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
> C. James Strutz wrote:

> > "Each to his own";
>
> Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
> comes to ethics.

A generalization...

> > everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
> > chickens or not without being politically labeled.
>
> And what's your position on that issue, James?

Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me. I
eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience. I
think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
extenuating circumstances. Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing the
vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now. Sorry...

> > You can always take your own potato salad to BK.
>
> Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
> forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
> restaurants.

Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food police
in any of the restaurants here.

> >>BK does have veggie burgers,
> >>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
> >
> > And the point is??
>
> The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
> approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.

Then I will. BK sucks.

"C. James Strutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
> > C. James Strutz wrote:
>
> > > "Each to his own";
> >
> > Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
> > comes to ethics.
>
> A generalization...
>
> > > everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
> > > chickens or not without being politically labeled.
> >
> > And what's your position on that issue, James?
>
> Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me. I
> eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience. I
> think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
> extenuating circumstances. Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
> issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
the
> vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now. Sorry...
============================
Well, at least you finally understand that and accept it. Now, if your
'drawing' a line has any real meaning you wouldn't make automatic
assumptions about the number of deaths you cause. If it's ok to kill 1000s
of animals for your veggie meal, why is it worse to kill one for your meals?


>
> > > You can always take your own potato salad to BK.
> >
> > Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
> > forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
> > restaurants.
>
> Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food police
> in any of the restaurants here.
>
> > >>BK does have veggie burgers,
> > >>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
> > >
> > > And the point is??
> >
> > The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
> > approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.
>
> Then I will. BK sucks.
=================
Not any more than your supposed ethics...


>
>

C. James Strutz wrote:

> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>C. James Strutz wrote:
>
>
>>>"Each to his own";
>>
>>Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
>>comes to ethics.
>
>
> A generalization...

You crack me up with that. You use the word
"generalization" as if it's understood that
generalizations are bad things. You are wrong, of
course; you are wrong about so much.

In fact, what we have here is an instance of a TRUE
generalization. True generalizations are good things.

>
>
>>>everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
>>>chickens or not without being politically labeled.
>>
>>And what's your position on that issue, James?
>
>
> Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me. I
> eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience. I
> think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
> extenuating circumstances. Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
> issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing the
> vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now. Sorry...

No, you don't understand at all. You've just said that
you think it's wrong to lead the life you lead, because
your life causes sentient beings OUTSIDE of
"extenuating" circumstances, whatever the **** those
are, and you've said that's wrong.

>
>
>>>You can always take your own potato salad to BK.
>>
>>Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
>>forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
>>restaurants.
>
>
> Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food police
> in any of the restaurants here.
>
>
>>>>BK does have veggie burgers,
>>>>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
>>>
>>>And the point is??
>>
>>The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
>>approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.
>
>
> Then I will. BK sucks.

They serve a decent hamburger.

"Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> C. James Strutz wrote:
>
> > "usual suspect" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>C. James Strutz wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>"Each to his own";
> >>
> >>Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
> >>comes to ethics.
> >
> >
> > A generalization...
>
> You crack me up with that. You use the word
> "generalization" as if it's understood that
> generalizations are bad things. You are wrong, of
> course; you are wrong about so much.

I don't believe in making generalizations because there are, at least,
uncertainties and exceptions in almost all cases. Generalizations are
usually made by ignorant and uninformed people. That describes you well.

> In fact, what we have here is an instance of a TRUE
> generalization. True generalizations are good things.

I don't believe any generalization is true.

> >>>everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
> >>>chickens or not without being politically labeled.
> >>
> >>And what's your position on that issue, James?
> >
> >
> > Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me.
I
> > eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience. I
> > think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
> > extenuating circumstances. Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand
the
> > issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
the
> > vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now. Sorry...
>
> No, you don't understand at all. You've just said that
> you think it's wrong to lead the life you lead, because
> your life causes sentient beings OUTSIDE of
> "extenuating" circumstances, whatever the **** those
> are, and you've said that's wrong.

No, you don't understand at all (well, you DO understand but you choose to
be antagonistic for your own amusement). Our very existence somehow results
in the collateral deaths of animals - there's nothing we can do about that.
I never said or implied that I think it's wrong to lead the life I lead. I
just try to make the best of the situations that present themeselves in a
reasonable manner.

> > Then I will. BK sucks.
>
> They serve a decent hamburger.

BK is one of the reasons why such a large percentage of the American people
are overweight and unhealthy.

C. James Strutz wrote:
>>>"Each to his own";
>>
>>Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
>>comes to ethics.
>
> A generalization...

Yes, James, a very fair, observant generalization on my part.

>>>everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
>>>chickens or not without being politically labeled.
>>
>>And what's your position on that issue, James?
>
> Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me. I
> eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.

Is an egg sentient?

> I
> think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
> extenuating circumstances.

Which extenuating circumstances are those?

> Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
> issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing the
> vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now.

If such loss of sentient life is acceptable to yuo, why are eggs so
taboo? Indeed, why is anything else -- even *eating* animal flesh --
unacceptable?

> Sorry...

You're only apologizing to yourself. It's your own peculiar sense of
"ethics" you're violating, not anyone else's.

>>>You can always take your own potato salad to BK.
>>
>>Maybe where *you* live, but most locales have food safety laws which
>>forbid taking food from other sources (home, other restaurants) into
>>restaurants.
>
> Well, maybe so. Guess I just assumed since I've never seen the food police
> in any of the restaurants here.

Many restaurant managers will politely inform you of such laws if you
try to take food into their restaurants.

>>>>BK does have veggie burgers,
>>>>and vegan activists like Erik Marcus like them.
>>>
>>>And the point is??
>>
>>The OP mentioned BK. I wanted him to know vegan "experts" like Mr Marcus
>>approve of BK. He can stop disparaging the place.
>
> Then I will. BK sucks.

You're just mad because they don't have potato salad.

C. James Strutz wrote:

> "Jonathan Ball" > wrote in message
> hlink.net...
>
>>C. James Strutz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"usual suspect" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>C. James Strutz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"Each to his own";
>>>>
>>>>Moral relativism suits "vegans." They're hypocritical poseurs when it
>>>>comes to ethics.
>>>
>>>
>>>A generalization...
>>
>>You crack me up with that. You use the word
>>"generalization" as if it's understood that
>>generalizations are bad things. You are wrong, of
>>course; you are wrong about so much.
>
>
> I don't believe in making generalizations because there are, at least,
> uncertainties and exceptions in almost all cases.

That's nice. You believe whatever makes you feel good.
You clearly don't understand what generalizations are
and are useful for, as your next statement demonstrates.

> Generalizations are
> usually made by ignorant and uninformed people.

Haw haw haw! That's another generalization you just
made! This is rich!

> That describes you well.

No, it doesn't. You don't even believe what you just
wrote; you're merely trying cheaply to insult me.

>
>
>>In fact, what we have here is an instance of a TRUE
>>generalization. True generalizations are good things.
>
>
> I don't believe any generalization is true.

Sure you do, dummy: you just wrote one, above!
Or...are you admitting you're a deliberate liar?

EVERYONE makes generalizations, all the time. Human
social and cultural life as we know it would be
impossible without them.

>
>
>>>>>everybody is entitled to believe whether eggs are
>>>>>chickens or not without being politically labeled.
>>>>
>>>>And what's your position on that issue, James?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hmmm...good question. I guess it really hasn't been a big issue with me.
>
>>>I eat eggs, albiet infrequently. I guess I draw my line with sentience.
>>>I think it's wrong to take the life of a sentient being except under
>>>extenuating circumstances. Attn: Jon Ball, et. al. Okay, I understand the
>>>issue that thousands of sentient lives are lost as a result of producing
>>>the vegetables I buy. That's just the way it is right now. Sorry...
>>
>>No, you don't understand at all. You've just said that
>>you think it's wrong to lead the life you lead, because
>>your life causes sentient beings OUTSIDE of
>>"extenuating" circumstances, whatever the **** those
>>are, and you've said that's wrong.
>
>
> No, you don't understand at all (well, you DO understand but you choose to
> be antagonistic for your own amusement). Our very existence somehow results
> in the collateral deaths of animals - there's nothing we can do about that.

That's false. There is MUCH you COULD do about it, but
choose not to do. Not only is your statement false,
it's also a lie, as you've been informed of this
befo collateral deaths are not necessary or inevitable.

> I never said or implied that I think it's wrong to lead the life I lead.

Not wittingly, you didn't, but you did indeed imply it,
because you said "I think it's wrong to take the life
of a sentient being except under extenuating
circumstances", and there is no "extenuating"
circumstance that justifies your killing of them. By
the way, SeeJames, one is IN a circumstance, not
"under" it.


> I just try to make the best of the situations that present themeselves in a
> in a reasonable manner.

You mean, you rationalize your casual discarding of
what you pretended to present as a meaningful ethical
position. We see, as we see in every "vegan", real or
(like you) wannabe, that it is merely a pose, a fashion
statement.

>
>
>>>Then I will. BK sucks.
>>
>>They serve a decent hamburger.
>
>
> BK is one of the reasons why such a large percentage of the American people
> are overweight and unhealthy.

False. Utterly false. There is only ONE reason so
many people are overweight: they're lazy blowpigs who
eat too much.