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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
Namaste
Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans waffle between: A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of staring at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not chewing – these abused souls, B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments about anti-Veganism, C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner or like-minded folks, D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their Tofurkeys, E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of unconcerned/uncaring humans, F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for "dessert" G) Not going to these gatherings and fasting. That's right! I said FASTING. I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition since 1998. I hope some list members will be joining me on this day of torture, death, greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same. My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals that are tortured and abused, then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the U.S. I am not discussing one (1) day fasts. My fasts run from Wednesday until Sunday. Fasting achieves numerous benefits. It is a wonderful way to clean out the body as far as health is concerned. Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul. Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to the higher being.' It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from watching animals when they are ill. They either eat greens or nothing at all. Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest. Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across. My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to family gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested with dead carcass and by-products. Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable as we traipsed to our building of worship only to march back to a home full of death, abuse and chemical irresponsibility. I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a holiday feast, but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive occasion. Why? Because it also represents false facts throughout American history. Native Americans were thwarted into slavery and near-annihilitation by the 'white man' in the name of 'god.' Recent findings are coming out that there was no turkey - or even any kind of 'meat' - at the dinner; only fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Then, back to modern times, it always bothered me that after these dinners, the male attendees would gather together in front of a television set to watch the bloodsport known as 'football,' leaving the women (slaves again to the 'white man') to clean up and watch after the children. You are invited and welcome to join my discussion list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoFlaVegans/ Starting next week there will appear articles, information and guides about the history and hypocrisy of ThanXgiving, as well as how to cope with the upcoming holidays. Additionally, you will find ways to fast safely and wisely. For those who wish to "celebrate" and not fast, you will find tons of recipes and tips, as well! As we ready ourselves for Fur-Free Friday, I wish everyone who is willing to "take the plunge" the best of luck in a successful and quick fast, and may all of our efforts pay off! = = = = = = = = = = Here are my other discussion lists that also contain tons of information in each of their categories – DAILY!!! Please research the message archives for information you are seeking and what you have missed: Everything Yoga! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yoga-With-Nancy-SoFla/ American Sign Language and Deaf Culture http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SignSoFla/ Alternative Schooling Within The School System http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoFlaSchools/ Om Shanti |
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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
"Fidyl" > wrote in message <snip stuff about fasting> If anyone does choose to fast, make sure you get enough fluids to drink, and don't exert yourself. Pregnant women should also not fast. Anyone who plans to do this should consult their doctors. -Rubystars |
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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
Fidyl wrote:
> Namaste Greetings, and welcome to my country! > Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans > waffle between: > > A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours > of staring at dead carcasses, Are you speaking of an Irish wake or a Thanksgiving meal? > watching as others gulp down – not chewing Not everyone's family is like that. Most of us sit on chairs, use utensils, and show other signs of civilization. > – these abused souls, They're not abused. They're dead. And roasted at about 375°F. > B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual > comments about anti-Veganism, Imagine how the rest of the family feels when you call their meal "dead carcasses" and remark about the way they eat and live their lives. > C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner or > like-minded folks, Nothing shows self-contempt like alienating and/or avoiding one's family at times of gatherings, much less choosing to spend such times with strangers and fellow-travelers. > D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their > Tofurkeys, See my response to (C). > E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the > feelings of unconcerned/uncaring humans, Why all this hatred for yourself and your family? > F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for "dessert" Same as (C). You prefer to put your peculiar diet and its false 'ethics' ahead of family. > G) Not going to these gatherings and fasting. > > That's right! I said FASTING. So not only are you self-alienating, filled with self-contempt and contempt for your own flesh and blood, and selfish, you're also nihilistic. Well that's just great. > I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition > since 1998. Thanksgiving has been a tradition much longer. > I hope some list members will be joining me Why? Do you miss the comfort, attention, and love you deny yourself by avoiding family gatherings? Why are you not content with keeping your little "protest" private? > on this day of torture, > death, greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same. I don't find feast days, particularly one in which we give thanks for our riches and bounty, to be how you describe. The only selfishness I see about it is your own. Your brand of self-righteous nihilism is an unsuitable replacement for fellowship with one's family regardless of the food eaten. > My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals > that are tortured They're not tortured. > and abused, They're not abused. > then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the U.S. Why don't you starve yourself the other 364 days, too, then? > I am not discussing one (1) day fasts. My fasts run from Wednesday > until Sunday. Are you as grumpy during your self-deprivation as you are now? > Fasting achieves numerous benefits. No, it makes one hungry. > It is a wonderful way to clean > out the body as far as health is concerned. If your diet is already healthy and contains sufficient fiber, this isn't an issue. > Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul. Spiritually, we're also told to respect our elders (e.g., family), and to feast at times of feast. If one is going to fast, one should do it before or following such feasts. > Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to the higher being.' No, you misread the scriptures to suit your sanctimony and impiety. <...> > Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest. Has shown? Please. Fasting may be a form of modern protest, but it's a stupid one. It's used only by radicals and morons, and to what effect? > Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across. Give it up. You're no Gandhi. > My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to > family gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested > with dead carcass and by-products. Just as I noted above. It's a self-righteous act of self-alienation. > Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable So you also disrespect tradition. This not surprising given your neo-nihilism masquerading as some form of Hinduism. Real Hindus respect Christ even if you don't. > as we traipsed to our > building of worship only to march back to a home full of death, > abuse It's called food. > and chemical irresponsibility. Did you do LSD or crack at home? > I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a > holiday feast, but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive > occasion. Why? Because you're too self-righteous and filled with contempt for your fellow man. > Because it also represents false facts throughout > American history. Native Americans were thwarted into slavery No, they weren't enslaved. > and near-annihilitation They fought back. Both sides were at fault. > by the 'white man' in the name of 'god.' Spare us the hyperbole. The "false facts" so far are your own. Half-truths are still lies. > Recent > findings are coming out that there was no turkey - or even any kind > of 'meat' - at the dinner; only fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. It wasn't a vegan feast, nitwit. Here are the two contemporary sources existant. First, Edward Winslow's note dated December 12, 1621. Note he said the feast lasted three days -- the same amount of time you intend to starve yourself and be estranged from your family: Our corn [i.e., wheat] did prove well, and God be praised, we had a good increase of Indian corn, and our barley indifferent good, but our peas not worth the gathering, for we feared they were too late sown. They came up very well, and blossomed, but the sun parched them in the blossom. Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruit of our labors. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which they brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty. The second is from William Bradford's History of Plymouth Plantation. They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercising in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they came first (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides they had about a peck of meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to that proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports. Note again that the meat items were fowl (ducks and geese), wild turkey, five deer, and fish (bass and cod). Note also some of the vegetables (peas) weren't even gathered. > Then, back to modern times, it always bothered me Why would it bother you? > that after these > dinners, the male attendees would gather together in front of a > television set to watch the bloodsport known as 'football,' It's not a bloodsport. > leaving > the women (slaves again to the 'white man') to clean up and watch > after the children. This is a man's world, this is a man's world But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing without a woman or a girl. -- James Brown We take turns every year in my family. BTW, why do you follow an Eastern religion whose native adherents often kill their daughters and where "honor killings" of women are allowed? http://www.gendercide.org/case_infanticide.html http://tinyurl.com/3h1s > You are invited and welcome to join my discussion list: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoFlaVegans/ Geez, no thanks. It's bad enough you're bragging about your > Starting next week there will appear articles, information and guides > about the history and hypocrisy of ThanXgiving, You mean propaganda a la your unfounded claim that the first Thanksgiving was "vegan." > as well as how to > cope with the upcoming holidays. Cope? It must be such an ordeal for someone to have to live with so much self-righteousness. > Additionally, you will find ways to fast safely and wisely. Hopefully the other self-marginalized "vegans" here won't put themselves and their families through such hardship during a feast time. > For those who wish to "celebrate" and not fast, you will find tons of > recipes and tips, as well! Why should anyone take "tips" from someone who alienates her own flesh and blood to starve herself and navel-gaze at a time of mutual celebration? > As we ready ourselves for Fur-Free Friday, I wish everyone who is > willing to "take the plunge" the best of luck in a successful and > quick fast, and may all of our efforts pay off! Blah. You should apologize to your family. They must be very disappointed. Are they as embarrassed of you as you are of them? > Here are my other discussion lists that also contain tons of > information in each of their categories – DAILY!!! You must not have much of a life. > Please research the message archives for information you are seeking > and what you have missed: Missed? What other dumb advice do you offer? > Everything Yoga! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Yoga-With-Nancy-SoFla/ > > American Sign Language and Deaf Culture > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SignSoFla/ > > Alternative Schooling Within The School System > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SoFlaSchools/ > > Om Shanti Gesundheit. |
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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
"tuppy" > wrote in message > I guess my success at this time of the year is not trying to proselytize my > vegan lifestyle. If someone wishes to discuss religion, politics or > lifestyle, that's fine but I don't go around bashing others for theirs. I > believe when others "challenge" my vegan-ism, it is taken as curiosity, not > as a condemnation. Perhaps my glass is just half full. There is a lot in my > life that I have to be thankful for and most of it transcends food. You have a much healthier attitude than most people. -Rubystars |
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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
"usual suspect" > wrote in message .. . > Fidyl wrote: > > Namaste > > Greetings, and welcome to my country! > > > Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans > > waffle between: > > > > A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours > > of staring at dead carcasses, > > Are you speaking of an Irish wake or a Thanksgiving meal? > > > watching as others gulp down – not chewing > > Not everyone's family is like that. Most of us sit on chairs, use > utensils, and show other signs of civilization. > > > – these abused souls, > > They're not abused. They're dead. And roasted at about 375°F. > > > B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual > > comments about anti-Veganism, > I guess my success at this time of the year is not trying to proselytize my vegan lifestyle. If someone wishes to discuss religion, politics or lifestyle, that's fine but I don't go around bashing others for theirs. I believe when others "challenge" my vegan-ism, it is taken as curiosity, not as a condemnation. Perhaps my glass is just half full. There is a lot in my life that I have to be thankful for and most of it transcends food. |
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An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2003
tuppy wrote:
>>>Namaste >> >>Greetings, and welcome to my country! >> >>>Oh, no! Here it comes again! Those dreaded holidays where Vegans >>>waffle between: >>> >>>A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours >>>of staring at dead carcasses, >> >>Are you speaking of an Irish wake or a Thanksgiving meal? >> >>>watching as others gulp down – not chewing >> >>Not everyone's family is like that. Most of us sit on chairs, use >>utensils, and show other signs of civilization. >> >>>– these abused souls, >> >>They're not abused. They're dead. And roasted at about 375°F. >> >>>B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual >>>comments about anti-Veganism, > > I guess my success at this time of the year is not trying to proselytize my > vegan lifestyle. If someone wishes to discuss religion, politics or > lifestyle, that's fine but I don't go around bashing others for theirs. I > believe when others "challenge" my vegan-ism, it is taken as curiosity, not > as a condemnation. Perhaps my glass is just half full. There is a lot in my > life that I have to be thankful for and most of it transcends food. Yes, but what would life be without food? I appreciate your even-handed response. Many "vegans," like the OP, see holidays (from holy + days) as something with which they must begrudgingly cope, much less abstain from giving thanks and being with family. It's sad that someone who has such religious pretensions thinks she can goad others with her anti-social rantings. Anti-social is the same as anti-God in all religions I've ever studied. |
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