Attorney General John Ashcroft visits an elementary
school. After speaking for 15 minutes he says, "I will
now answer any questions you have."

Bobby stands up and says: "I have four questions, sir:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than
Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to
destroy civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Just then the bell goes off and the kids are sent out
to play. Upon returning, Mr. Ashcroft says: "I am sorry
we were interrupted. I will answer any questions you have."

A little girl named Julie stands and says: "I have six
questions:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than
Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to
destroy civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
5. Why did the bell ring twenty minutes early?
6. Where is Bobby?

"Tod" wrote in message
link.net...
Attorney General John Ashcroft visits an elementary
school. After speaking for 15 minutes he says, "I will
now answer any questions you have."

Bobby stands up and says: "I have four questions, sir:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than
Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to
destroy civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Just then the bell goes off and the kids are sent out
to play. Upon returning, Mr. Ashcroft says: "I am sorry
we were interrupted. I will answer any questions you have."

A little girl named Julie stands and says: "I have six
questions:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than
Gore?
2. Why haven't you caught Osama bin Laden?
3. Why are you using the American Patriot Act to
destroy civil liberties?
4. Where are the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
5. Why did the bell ring twenty minutes early?
6. Where is Bobby?

7. Ray stands up and says What the **** has this to do with animal related
NGs.

**** off ~~jonnie~~ you trolling dwarf.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:37:54 GMT, Tod wrote:

Attorney General John Ashcroft visits an elementary
school. After speaking for 15 minutes he says, "I will
now answer any questions you have."

Bobby stands up and says: "I have four questions, sir:


Another whiny dumbocrat

Serpico was a NYC police investigator who fought corruption and of whom a
movie was made about in the 1970s. He denounces the Bush Corporate Regime
and Problems with the 9/11 Reichstag story as spewed by the corporate media
cartel propaganda outlets.
http://www.pogo.org/p/government/go-...stleblower.htm

www.globalresearch.ca
www.unansweredquestions.org

PS If the trolling fascists on this list wish to criticize this post please
accept my response in advance. (This speech was given shortly after 9/11.
The Bush Puppet's current rating is less than 50%).
In my opinion, an 85% approval rating only proves one thing. Einstein was
correct when he said: "Two things are infinite, human stupidity and the
universe, and I am not sure of the latter." Serpico

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 20:37:54 GMT, Tod wrote:

Attorney General John Ashcroft visits an elementary
school. After speaking for 15 minutes he says, "I will
now answer any questions you have."

Bobby stands up and says: "I have four questions, sir:


Another whiny dumbocrat

Rick wrote:

Another sniveling, goose stepping Bushzi -

Good term -- I'll have to remember it.

Have you seen the step-by-step comparison between Bush's
takeover and the Nazi takeover in 1933-4? It's almost
a one-to-one correspondence. We are living is a fascist
state, quite literally. We had a chancellor appointed
without an electoral majority, the rounding up of
political opponents into the first concentration camp at
Guantanomo, our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
evidence Bush knew about it beforehand, just as Hitler
knew the Reichstag fire was planned, but didn't know the
details personally), followed by our Enabling Act (the
Patriot Act) gutting civil rights. Like Hitler, Bush
has tried to turn people's attention away from
domestic problems by Glorious Foreign War, but his
Stalingrad has come a bit earlier than Hitler's. But,
unlike Hitler, who took a country in a depression and
revived the economy (temporarily), Bush has CREATED
a depression and destroyed the healthy economy and
surplus he inherited from Clinton.

See you in the camps! (it's become a greeting around here).

Rat the Ungleichschaltet

Rat & Swan wrote:



Rick wrote:

Another sniveling, goose stepping Bushzi -

Good term -- I'll have to remember it.

Have you seen the step-by-step comparison between Bush's
takeover and the Nazi takeover in 1933-4? It's almost
a one-to-one correspondence.

"The" step-by-step comparison? Don't you mean A
step-by-step comparison, put together by an extreme
leftist?

We are living is a fascist state, quite literally.

No, quite literally, we are not. Your claim is a
product of a hyperbolic and hysterical extremist. We
are not even figuratively a fascist state.

There are some very bad trends. I believe Ashcroft is
as close to a fascist as one could be without admitting
it directly. I believe he and many of his supporters
would implement a fascist state whether they realized
they were doing so or not.

We are not, however, living in a fascist state. If we
were, we could not have a federal judge effectively
dismiss the charges against the alleged terrorist
Moussaoui.

We had a chancellor appointed
without an electoral majority,

No. We had a president elected by the electoral
college, exactly as provided by the Constitution.

the rounding up of
political opponents into the first concentration camp at
Guantanomo,

That's the biggest rupture of the truth yet. The Nazis
rounded up *German* political opponents. The people
being held in Guantanamo Bay are all foreign combatants.

our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
evidence Bush knew about it beforehand,

It isn't "evidence", it's conspiratorial bullshit that
irrationally credulous people like you swallow at face
value, because it corresponds to what you want to
believe for ideological reasons.

just as Hitler
knew the Reichstag fire was planned, but didn't know the
details personally), followed by our Enabling Act (the
Patriot Act) gutting civil rights. Like Hitler, Bush
has tried to turn people's attention away from
domestic problems by Glorious Foreign War, but his
Stalingrad has come a bit earlier than Hitler's.

Completely wrong, of course, as this kind of crap is
almost all the time. There are no domestic problems
remotely similar to what was going on in early 1930s
Germany. Our economy is growing, inflation is almost
non-existent, unemployment is shrinking. There is no
great social discord anywhere, except where the ardent
U.S.-hating leftists are trying to stir up trouble,
chiefly in college admissions programs, where
quota-implementing liars are unconstitutionally
implementing affirmative action.

All is not well, but there is simply no legitimate
comparison to be made to Nazi Germany.

But unlike Hitler, who took a country in a depression and
revived the economy (temporarily), Bush has CREATED
a depression

No, he has not. Presidents deserve little of the blame
for economic downturns, and none of the credit for
upturns. There has been no depression.

and destroyed the healthy economy

Nope. The economy is healthy.

and surplus he inherited from Clinton.

You mean the surplus he inherited from a Republican
congress. Congress passes appropriations bills.


See you in the camps! (it's become a greeting around here).

There really ought to be some kind of camp for you.

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:21:08 -0700, Rat & Swan
wrote:



Rick wrote:

Another sniveling, goose stepping Bushzi -

Good term -- I'll have to remember it.

Have you seen the step-by-step comparison between Bush's
takeover and the Nazi takeover in 1933-4?

Since, as you admit, you aren't an American, I'll forgive the
historical inaccuracies of an obvious attempt to further deteriorate
America's faith in its leadership.

It's almost
a one-to-one correspondence. We are living is a fascist
state, quite literally.

Throughout your dialogue, you change the meaning of the word "we."
The most consistent interpretation is that you are from Germany (i.e.
"We had a chancellor [Hitler] appointed..." The statement above,
then, indicates that Germany is still a fascist state. If that was
your intended messages, I extend my sympathies to you. Luckily, for
us Americans, we don't live in a fascist state.

We had a chancellor appointed
without an electoral majority,

That's too bad for your country. Our president, George Bush, was
elected with the Constitutional electoral majority: 271 votes verses
266. (http://www.potus.com/gwbush.html). Although his opponent,
Gore, got more of the *popular* vote, according to our laws, it is the
electoral votes (i.e., the votes of each of the States in the United
States) that actually count.

the rounding up of
political opponents into the first concentration camp at
Guantanomo,


I don't know why you Germans let Hitler put citizens into a
conentration camp without due process. We don't do it. The detainees
in Guantanamo are non-citizens, prisoners-of-war (or, at least, armed
conflict)
(http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/milit...nees_1-22.html).
Albeit, from an *international* perspective, the situation is
deplorable... but to compare this situation to Hitler's habit of
imprisoning German citizens because they were gypsies, gays, Jews,
etc. just illustrates ignorant understanding. I thought Europeans
were supposed to be educated better.

our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
evidence Bush knew about it beforehand, just as Hitler
knew the Reichstag fire was planned, but didn't know the
details personally),

This is sheer ignorance. *I* saw CIA Fact sheet reports in 1996
warning about a terrorist attack, possibly using hijacked planes. The
problem is--what do you do with that kind of intelligence? Do you
tell your citizenry not to fly planes? Keep the planes on the
grounds? Hell, Americans *know* that terrorists have attacked the
United States, but still many of them grumble about increased airport
security when the threat posture changes because of unsubstantiated
intelligence...


followed by our Enabling Act (the
Patriot Act) gutting civil rights.

I have to admit, the Patriot act scares me. But again, I don't see an
easy way around the advantages that modern technology has given
criminals. The part of the Patriot act I can agree with is the
wiretapping portion: criminals are constantly changing their
telephones (it's very easy to go to a cellular service and buy a dozen
phones, use a phone once, and switch phones--prior to the Patriot act,
a warrant had to be given for each phone. Now, a warrant only needs
to be awarded to surveill a person).


Like Hitler, Bush
has tried to turn people's attention away from
domestic problems by Glorious Foreign War, but his
Stalingrad has come a bit earlier than Hitler's.

It's only a "Stalingrad"-like because Americans don't have the resolve
to win a war (look at Vietnam). The wimpiness generally is
spearheaded by the liberal-left (my opinion).

But,
unlike Hitler, who took a country in a depression and
revived the economy (temporarily), Bush has CREATED
a depression and destroyed the healthy economy and
surplus he inherited from Clinton.

Again, you have absolutely no idea of the history of the U.S., even
history that has occurred within the last decade. The rhetoric you're
spewing simply tries to undermine the resolve of one of the greatest
nations on the Earth. Almost intellectual terrorism of sorts.

You have caught Karen Winter ('rat') doing what she
most likes to do: draw false and invidious moral
equivalence.

Actually, that's only Karen's second favorite activity.
Her favorite is just garden-variety lying.


Daiichi wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:21:08 -0700, Rat & Swan
wrote:



Rick wrote:

Another sniveling, goose stepping Bushzi -

Good term -- I'll have to remember it.

Have you seen the step-by-step comparison between Bush's
takeover and the Nazi takeover in 1933-4?


Since, as you admit, you aren't an American, I'll forgive the
historical inaccuracies of an obvious attempt to further deteriorate
America's faith in its leadership.


It's almost
a one-to-one correspondence. We are living is a fascist
state, quite literally.


Throughout your dialogue, you change the meaning of the word "we."
The most consistent interpretation is that you are from Germany (i.e.
"We had a chancellor [Hitler] appointed..." The statement above,
then, indicates that Germany is still a fascist state. If that was
your intended messages, I extend my sympathies to you. Luckily, for
us Americans, we don't live in a fascist state.


We had a chancellor appointed
without an electoral majority,


That's too bad for your country. Our president, George Bush, was
elected with the Constitutional electoral majority: 271 votes verses
266. (http://www.potus.com/gwbush.html). Although his opponent,
Gore, got more of the *popular* vote, according to our laws, it is the
electoral votes (i.e., the votes of each of the States in the United
States) that actually count.


the rounding up of
political opponents into the first concentration camp at
Guantanomo,



I don't know why you Germans let Hitler put citizens into a
conentration camp without due process. We don't do it. The detainees
in Guantanamo are non-citizens, prisoners-of-war (or, at least, armed
conflict)
(http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/milit...nees_1-22.html).
Albeit, from an *international* perspective, the situation is
deplorable... but to compare this situation to Hitler's habit of
imprisoning German citizens because they were gypsies, gays, Jews,
etc. just illustrates ignorant understanding. I thought Europeans
were supposed to be educated better.


our Reichstag fire ( 9/11 -- there's
evidence Bush knew about it beforehand, just as Hitler
knew the Reichstag fire was planned, but didn't know the
details personally),


This is sheer ignorance. *I* saw CIA Fact sheet reports in 1996
warning about a terrorist attack, possibly using hijacked planes. The
problem is--what do you do with that kind of intelligence? Do you
tell your citizenry not to fly planes? Keep the planes on the
grounds? Hell, Americans *know* that terrorists have attacked the
United States, but still many of them grumble about increased airport
security when the threat posture changes because of unsubstantiated
intelligence...



followed by our Enabling Act (the
Patriot Act) gutting civil rights.


I have to admit, the Patriot act scares me. But again, I don't see an
easy way around the advantages that modern technology has given
criminals. The part of the Patriot act I can agree with is the
wiretapping portion: criminals are constantly changing their
telephones (it's very easy to go to a cellular service and buy a dozen
phones, use a phone once, and switch phones--prior to the Patriot act,
a warrant had to be given for each phone. Now, a warrant only needs
to be awarded to surveill a person).



Like Hitler, Bush
has tried to turn people's attention away from
domestic problems by Glorious Foreign War, but his
Stalingrad has come a bit earlier than Hitler's.


It's only a "Stalingrad"-like because Americans don't have the resolve
to win a war (look at Vietnam). The wimpiness generally is
spearheaded by the liberal-left (my opinion).


But,
unlike Hitler, who took a country in a depression and
revived the economy (temporarily), Bush has CREATED
a depression and destroyed the healthy economy and
surplus he inherited from Clinton.


Again, you have absolutely no idea of the history of the U.S., even
history that has occurred within the last decade. The rhetoric you're
spewing simply tries to undermine the resolve of one of the greatest
nations on the Earth. Almost intellectual terrorism of sorts.

Godwin's Law is hereby invoked, and the anti-Bush critics have lost their
argument by forfeit.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Fook Germ wrote:
Serpico was a NYC police investigator who fought corruption and of whom a
movie was made about in the 1970s. He denounces the Bush Corporate Regime
and Problems with the 9/11 Reichstag story as spewed by the corporate media
cartel propaganda outlets.

You're beyond ****ed up if you think 9/11 is comparable to the burning
of the Reichstag. Same with your loony theories about other tragedies
like the OKC bombing or Waco, you nutbag. I know you have your little
axes to grind, but enough of the rank hyperbole.

PS If the trolling fascists on this list wish to criticize this post please
accept my response in advance. (This speech was given shortly after 9/11.
The Bush Puppet's current rating is less than 50%).

Wrong, which is to be expected from a hateful, extremist partisan moron
like you. Here are the latest results of polling from several different
sources.

1. FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Oct. 28-29, 2003. N=900 registered
voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Do you approve or disapprove of the job George W. Bush is doing as
president?"
10/28-29/03 Approve: 53 Disapprove: 37

2. Gallup Poll and CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his
job as president?"
10/24-26/03 Approve: 53 Disapprove: 42

3. Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates.
Oct. 23-24, 2003. N=1,007 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his
job as president?"
10/23-24/03 Approve: 51 Disapprove: 40

4. Ipsos-Reid/Cook Political Report Poll. Oct. 21-23, 2003. N=742
registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.7.
"Overall, do you approve, disapprove or have mixed feelings about the
way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?" If "mixed
feelings" or not su "If you had to choose, do you lean more toward
approve or disapprove?"
10/21-23/03 Approve: 55 Disapprove: 43 Mixed: 2

5. CBS News Poll. Oct. 20-21, 2003. N=751 adults nationwide. MoE ± 4.
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his
job as president?"
10/20-21/03 Approve: 54 Disapprove: 36

6. Pew Research Center for the People & the Press survey conducted by
Princeton Survey Research Associates. Oct. 15-19, 2003. N=1,515 adults
nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his
job as president?" If "Depends": "Overall, do you approve or
disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?"
10/15-19/03 Approve: 50 Disapprove: 42

7. The Harris Poll. Oct. 14-19, 2003. N=1,017 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"How would you rate the overall job President George W. Bush is doing as
president: excellent, pretty good, only fair, or poor?"
10/14-19/03 Excellent/good: 59 fair/poor: 40

8. Zogby: The only poll in which Bush doesn't score 50% or higher using
same questioning and scoring methodology as Harris, but only from likely
voters according to their definition.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

snip

Mark Crispin wrote:
Godwin's Law is hereby invoked, and the anti-Bush critics have lost their
argument by forfeit.

It's not exactly a rule, more like a guideline.
http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms...win_s_Law.html



-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Tod wrote in message hlink.net...
Attorney General John Ashcroft visits an elementary
school. After speaking for 15 minutes he says, "I will

5. Why did the bell ring twenty minutes early?
6. Where is Bobby?


The Republican Nazi Party took him in for questioning to the
executives at the all new GOP run state television network CBS before
he was then never to be seen ever again..

Tod wrote in message hlink.net...

hilarious joke snipped

Thanks, Tod! I will spread that one around!

exploratory wrote:

Tod wrote in message hlink.net...

hilarious joke snipped

Thanks, Tod! I will spread that one around!

Okay. I'm glad you liked it.

It doesn't make us buddies, though, Suppository. You
are utterly wrong on the "animal rights" stuff.

Tod wrote in message nk.net...

It doesn't make us buddies, though, Suppository. You
are utterly wrong on the "animal rights" stuff.

That is YOUR opinion.
I happened to like your joke about Bush, but that does not
mean I do not believe that he was entirely wrong for going
to war against Saddam Hussein. Nor does it mean that you
should have posted it here, on a pro-animal rights newsgroup.
Why are you here, then, if you are an anti-animal rightist?