I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

"tofubar" wrote in message
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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?
Nope, but the reverse is well documented.
http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm

Laurie

tofubar wrote:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are
not depressed because they've "gone 'vegan'". They
went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill
people.

"Jonathan Ball" wrote in message
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tofubar wrote:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are
not depressed because they've "gone 'vegan'". They
went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill
people.

What a stupid response you pathetic little pixie
You are compressed not depressed.

On 30 Oct 2003 15:33:11 -0800, (tofubar, who is
actually J Ball) Jonathan No Testicles in sockpuppet mode wrote a
troll post:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

Wrong Jonathan. You abuse people and animals, you eat meat and are
proud of it, you are 7st impotent dwarf. YOU are thoroughly depressed
24/7.

Now what does that tell us about a meat diet?

People become vegan because they are happy to become vegan, happy to
help animals, happy to care. What is there to be depressed about?

We see you making an ass of yourself, with your simple sock puppets
and solitary friends in dick eater and crutch, we actually laugh AT
you, so depression? I don't think so.







'You can't win 'em all.'
Lord Haw Haw.

Since I stopped donating money to CONservation hooligan charities
Like the RSPB, Woodland Trust and all the other fat cat charities
I am in the top 0.801% richest people in the world.
There are 5,951,930,035 people poorer than me

If you're really interested I am the 48,069,965
richest person in the world.

And I'm keeping the bloody lot.

So sue me.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

"Laurie" wrote in message ...
"tofubar" wrote in message om...

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

Nope, but the reverse is well documented.
http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm

Laurie

The first line on that page goes;
"The short-term effects of fasting on the neuroendocrine
system in patients with chronic pain syndromes.", and
then goes on to explain why in a language I simply don't
understand. Does it translate to fasting being beneficial for
overweight people suffering chronic pain? David Blain lost
4 stone in 44 days during his fast; something I could do with,
but would such a fast, even for only a week, diminish chronic
pain in your opinion?

In article , tofubar wrote:
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

I believe this depression to be completely unrelated to any vitamin or
other deficiency a person may have (which are still much less common in vegans
than in meat-eaters). It stems from the fact that vegans are generally much more
aware of the cruelty to animals (and people) than others. Every time we have to
check ingredients or find the source of one, we are reminded of what takes place
at factory farms and slaughterhouses. Every time we see leather, fur, or other
animal-derived materials, we are reminded of how the animals had to suffer
before they were brutally slaughtered. "Average" people don't associate these
products with suffering. These reminders constantly make us aware of the state
of this world and the way we treat the creatures on it, which may result in
depression depending on how the individual can handle this awareness.

"Joseph M Battaglia" wrote in message
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In article , tofubar
wrote:
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

I believe this depression to be completely unrelated to any vitamin or
other deficiency a person may have (which are still much less common in
vegans
than in meat-eaters).
======================
Af act you didn't back up, eh?


It stems from the fact that vegans are generally much more
aware of the cruelty to animals (and people) than others. Every time we
have to
check ingredients or find the source of one, we are reminded of what takes
place
at factory farms and slaughterhouses.
=======================
yet you sanctimoniuosly ignore the death and suffering that brought that
product to your plate. Why is that?
You are perfectly capable of causing less death and suffering than you do
now by substituting some of your
veggies with the right meats. But, for vegans that's agains't their simple
rule. Simple rules for simple minds.


Every time we see leather, fur, or other
animal-derived materials, we are reminded of how the animals had to suffer
before they were brutally slaughtered.
=======================
Whenevr I see cotton or pretro-chemical industry based synthetics I think of
all the animals that are far more cruelly
killed that those in the slaughterhouses. Guess you conveninetly ignore
those deaths, eh? Why is it that all you think
you have to do is not eat, wear, or touch animal parts and you believe that
no animals ever died?
Even posting your ignorance on usenet around the world for all to see is not
cruelty free. So, the fact remains,
you are not concerned with the death and suffering of animals, just what it
takes to make you
feel better about yourself, and superior to others.




"Average" people don't associate these
products with suffering.
====================
Nor should they. It's the same as you never associating animal death and
suffering with your choices.
death and suffering which, again, is far more horrible and inhumane than the
deaths of animals in
slaughterhouses.


These reminders constantly make us aware of the state
of this world and the way we treat the creatures on it, which may result
in
depression depending on how the individual can handle this awareness.
____----------------------
The only possibility then is that your toatl ignorance of facts keeps you
unaware of your bloody footprints
as your traipse around feeling so smug about your idiocy.




on how the individual can handle this awareness.

(tofubar) wrote in message . com...
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?


I think it comes from the standard vegan/ARA personality type rather
than from their diet. In case you haven't noticed, they don't tend to
be the most stable of people.

Doc

tofubar wrote in message
om...
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

Far more people suffer depression as a result of the Organophosphate
pesticide that almost all non-organic vegetables are saturated with.

And the farmers and the Government still pretend the stuff is harmless and
dream up ridiculous stories to cover up poisoning by the stuff.

Nemo

Derek wrote in message
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"Laurie" wrote in message
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"tofubar" wrote in message
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I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

Nope, but the reverse is well documented.
http://www.ecologos.org/anxiety.htm

Laurie

The first line on that page goes;
"The short-term effects of fasting on the neuroendocrine
system in patients with chronic pain syndromes.", and
then goes on to explain why in a language I simply don't
understand. Does it translate to fasting being beneficial for
overweight people suffering chronic pain? David Blain lost
4 stone in 44 days during his fast; something I could do with,
but would such a fast, even for only a week, diminish chronic
pain in your opinion?

Non sequitur. No-one's talking about fasting.

Jonathan Ball wrote in message
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tofubar wrote:

I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

You are getting the causation arrow backward. They are
not depressed because they've "gone 'vegan'". They
went "vegan" because they're depressed, mentally ill
people.

And meat eaters who risk about 30 different parasites, cancer, heart
disease, diverticular disease, obesity etc. are sane???

Pull the other one. It plays Lettuce with a gladsome mind . .

(tofubar) wrote in message . com...
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

No. Vegans and vegetarians are happier than meat-eaters.
Whenever vegans do feel sad, it is because of anti-vegetarians
who favor greater government control to force vegans and animals
to cater to their selfish lifestyle.

nemo wrote:
And meat eaters who risk about 30 different parasites, cancer, heart
disease, diverticular disease, obesity etc. are sane???

Consumers of organic produce are also at risk of parasitic infection, e
coli infection, etc. Nature's a real bitch, huh.

"piddock" wrote in message
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(tofubar) wrote in message
. com...
I've noticed that my friends who have gone exclusively vegan, even if
they take vitamins, seem more moody and depressed. Has anyone else
noticed this?

No. Vegans and vegetarians are happier than meat-eaters.
Whenever vegans do feel sad, it is because of anti-vegetarians
who favor greater government control to force vegans and animals
to cater to their selfish lifestyle.
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ROTFLMAO What a hoot! this is the laugh of the day, killer.
The only people here advocating making others do what they do are the
vegans, you ignorant loon!
No where has any of us told you what you have to eat. vegans do that all
the time, and would make
it the governments fuction to ensure that diet given the chance. You truly
are insane, hypocrite.