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Look 'ere, sunshine. Why don't you tell the truth and change your
moniker
to
"Sick Etter"?
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Because i'm far healthier than you, and do far more than you even think
about, killer.


Now, why don't you just get back your 'wetness' naughty little boy.

Aha! Very good! Belittling tactics!! Still 'Vay iz mir nisht' I'm afraid!
Not very good at it are you? And you left out the comma after "wetness",
you
microscopic moron!
======================
I see that you agree about your lack of stamina, eh? Again, you cannot
refute what i say. You really are too stupid for this, aren't you?
Must be the diet. Besides, belittling? It's your own header you ignorant
fool.

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That's not very compassionate. What's the point in having a respect
for life (all life) if you tell someone that you wish they would drop
dead from a heart attack?

Piddock never claimed to have "respect for all life".
Why should he be forced to "respect all life" any more than
you or Rick Etter or Usual Suspect?
You don't go preaching to somebody who is ALREADY showing more
respect for life by going vegetarian than the average person.
==========================
Again, a statement that has never been proven or backed up with any kind of
evidence.
Why do you loons keep spewing this ly?



You tell and preach your pro-life philosophies to the WORST
offenders: Saddam Hussein, Al-Qaeda, Rick Etter, Usual Suspect.
Trying to squeeze more sacrifice and "respect"
out of those who have already changed their lifestyles
is idiotic, pointless, useless, and counterproductive for everyone.
======================
Anything that requires thought is far beyond you and ****ant.



I may get flamed for saying this, but isn't a human life of more value
than a cow's? It is in my opinion. Why would you be happy if Rick died
but sad when a cow died?

Why are you sad at the possibility that Rick Etter or Usual Suspect
might be forced to give up meat? But you are not sad at the prospect
of poor people dying from either malnutrition or lack of medical services,
since you obviously do not give all your money away to them?
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Anaolgies are really really hard for you, aren't they?



Why do you defend rich people getting even richer,
even though they do less work than the average person,
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LOL Anybody works harder than you do, fool. Unless you count those prison
orgies you lead as work...



and even though forcing rich people through law
to give up their money and luxury to poor people
would have far greater benefit than cost?
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No, you fool. It wouldn't.


Obviously, you believe the value of a rich person's
unearned money (the millions above the first 100K they earned)
is greater than the value of the life of a poor person
if you do not support mandatory wealth equalization.
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No, the problem is, you support non-work by the likes of you and still want
the benefits of those that do the work.
That's why you'll be in prison forever.

"nemo" wrote
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Just go eat your carrots, you're out of your depth.


It's: "Just go AND eat your carrots. You're out of your depth," you pratt!
Learn some grammar.

Horrors, a grammar-nanny!

The word is "prat" btw...

Just one thing to say....

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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not even a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.
================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat meat. The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try to tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup? What exactly did you expect?
If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you don't like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.





Rats and mice are pests, and there's no shortage of them (quite the
contrary).
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Ther's no shortage of cows or chickens either. Is that the only critiria
you have? Or is it just their size makes them less important as far as
animal death and suffering are concerned?


I don't think they should be tortured, but I don't see how
getting chopped up in a machine (a harvester or a grain processor)
could possibly be worse than the rat poison, coca cola, and flour
mixed with concrete they're subjected to when they invade people's
properties. It's probably a LOT more humane than that.
======================
Why these comparisons? the one you should be comparing them to are the
animals that die in slaughterhouses.
I'd say that those animals die a more humane death than any of the ones
you
mentioned.



I think what a lot of vegetarians object to is the fact that animals
are raised for the express purpose of killing them. I don't really
have a problem with that, if the animals are treated humanely in life
and killed with little pain.
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As many are. The problem is your crop fields are just the ticket for fast
population explosions of many animals. You can say they are raised
expressly because of your food production. Increases that would not occur
without your crops providing easy food and cover. then, just when the
populations are at their peak, you take away all the food and cover. What
do you think happens to these animals, that they just mosey over to the
next field that's cut down? They are left without food and cover to die
from starvation and predation. they all can't just go into the
surrounding
area because those areas will already be at their carrying capacity.


However I do think that it's sad that people eat as much meat as they
do.
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Do you really know how much? Or are you just guessing with your delusions
from PeTA and their ilk? Even the typical American diet contains far more
plant material than meats. About 200lbs of meat. about 400lbs of
veggies,
200lbs of grains and cerials, and 100lbs of fruit. There is also 500+lbs
of
dairy, but that's neither meat nor veggie.


It's really not necessary to eat meat 3 or more times a day, and
it's not healthy either. I may or may not go vegetarian later but I
don't think that I'm going to be increasing animal suffering if I
choose to do that. I really don't.
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But you refuse to even consider that as a possibility, nor will you even
try
to check it out, will you? Why? Afraid of what you'll discover?
That's also part of the point. Vegans won't even try to determine which
of
their own foods cause less or more animals death and suffering. They just
assume that it's all nice and cruelty free.


The reason I replied though is that I was surprised at the fanatical
responses you're getting. I guess I shouldn't be though. I knew if I
thought someone was saying things to get a rise out of me I'd probably
ignore them.
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Nope. I'm not replying to get a 'rise' out of any body. I just want to
present the truth. Something vegans are ashamed of apparently since all
they spew are lys and delusions.



He can't. His hatred is all he has. He knows his 'ethics' are a
sham.
so
he has to hate those that remind him of that fact.

I just think that if he wants to put a postive face on vegetarianism
or veganism that he should treat other people nicely, even those he
isn't fond of. I know that's not always easy and some flaming back and
forth is probably permissible (since this is Usenet) but telling
someone to drop dead from a heart attack goes way too far, IMO. I
mean, we are talking about food here, it's not THAT darn important.
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But that's part of the point. Vegans will claim that their diet 'saves'
all
those animals. They've never checked it out, and can't prove it, but they
make the claims anyway. the fact is, their, and your, and my diets are
far
from having the greatest impact on animal death and suffering. There are
far more things in our lifestyles that contribute to animal death and
suffering than just from whatever we eat. case in point, your posts to
usenet are not cruelty free.


-Rubystars

Jendev wrote:
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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not even a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.

================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat meat. The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try to tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup? What exactly did you expect?

I won't speak for Rick, but I'm vegetarian. I also expect the truth.
Many vegetarians make specific claims about morals and ethics which are
unreasonable, unsupportable, and simply wrong.

Animals die during every agricultural step from planting to harvesting
to storing to processing to transporting even *vegetarian* food. The
only animals that are "saved" are the ones you don't actually eat; the
rest -- far in excess of what are eaten by those who choose to eat meat
-- simply rot or are rendered into petfood or other products.

Most veg-ns assume that no animals die for their food simply because
they don't actually eat animals. They're flat out wrong. Rick is well
within his rights to inform and educate others about the real cost of
their "compassionate" food choices.

If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen.

I think you should consider your own advice.

And if you don't like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.

This thread is cross-posted to three groups. Not all the groups are
entirely dedicated to vegetarianISM. If you don't like it when others
speak the truth, just bury your head a little deeper in the sand.

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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not even a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.
================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat meat.
The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try to
tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup?
================
To enlighten the terminally ignorant who seem to inhabit this group. But
then, it's also an 'ethics' group, so why your concern,
or did you not look to see the groups you're posting to?


What exactly did you expect?
If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you don't like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.
======================
LOL Vegans putting heat on somebody? What a hoot! Nothing but lys and
delusions coming from them here.
Tell me, you believe your diet is cruelty-free?






snippage...

Ipse dreck wrote:
* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup? What exactly did you expect?

I won't speak for Rick, but I'm vegetarian. I also expect the truth.

So why did you lie so many times concerning your pretense
on being a vegan?

Dreck, we often use certain adjectives for ourselves only to determine
later that they're inappropriate. What's more important are core beliefs
-- not labels. My core beliefs remain unchanged despite the use of
certain labels.

I'm quite conservative; vegans are quite liberal (radical even). I don't
believe animals have rights, nor shout they; such is an article of faith
for vegans. I understand the role of predation in nature, and I don't
separate man from nature; vegans are opposed to predation and separate
man from nature. I love other humans; vegans despise their own humans. I
favor animal testing; vegans don't. Etc.

Of course, this may be unreasonable to an obese and obtuse crippled
greasemonkey with nothing better to do than pester others all day and
night. It's okay with me since even your own people have disowned you,
and left you to incessantly chat with your sock puppets. You truly are
persona non grata. Now **** off.

Ipse Dreck wrote:
You've switched back and forth on this issue at least
3 documented times in 462 days, and then had the
nerve to claim your views have been consistent.

Views, yes. Labels, no. Tough shit, fat slob.

Not only are you a bare faced liar, you're one Hell of a
confused little puppy as well.

Pretty rich from one carrying on a lengthy dialogue with sock puppets,
even offering to share usenet accounts. Does your beleaguered and
longsuffering wife know how far you've fallen in recent weeks, Dreck?

I'd also like to point out that sooner or later every vegan I've known
changes back to an omnivorous diet after all the health problems
caused by being one.

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Jendev wrote:
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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not even a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.

================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat meat.
The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try to
tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup? What exactly did you
expect?

I won't speak for Rick, but I'm vegetarian. I also expect the truth.
Many vegetarians make specific claims about morals and ethics which are
unreasonable, unsupportable, and simply wrong.


I understand that. But I was referring to the claim that meat eaters (for
lack of a better term) don't come here and tell veggies to eat meat whereas
"vegan loons" do tell meat eaters not to eat meat. I found this claim
hilarious given the title of the group. btw nice to see you again usual
Jenae


Animals die during every agricultural step from planting to harvesting
to storing to processing to transporting even *vegetarian* food. The
only animals that are "saved" are the ones you don't actually eat; the
rest -- far in excess of what are eaten by those who choose to eat meat
-- simply rot or are rendered into petfood or other products.

Most veg-ns assume that no animals die for their food simply because
they don't actually eat animals. They're flat out wrong. Rick is well
within his rights to inform and educate others about the real cost of
their "compassionate" food choices.

If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen.

I think you should consider your own advice.

And if you don't like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.

This thread is cross-posted to three groups. Not all the groups are
entirely dedicated to vegetarianISM. If you don't like it when others
speak the truth, just bury your head a little deeper in the sand.

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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not even
a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what
you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.
================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat meat.
The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try to
tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup?
================
To enlighten the terminally ignorant who seem to inhabit this group.

kindness radiates from you doesn't it? lol

But
then, it's also an 'ethics' group, so why your concern,
or did you not look to see the groups you're posting to?

Funny, I thought it was you who forgot to check the title.


What exactly did you expect?
If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you don't
like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.
======================
LOL Vegans putting heat on somebody?

The second one was meant for this situation....not the first (shakes her
head).

What a hoot! Nothing but lys and

what exactly is a ly?

delusions coming from them here.
Tell me, you believe your diet is cruelty-free?

I believe that I am simply not supporting something I believe to be wrong
(i.e. the industrialization of animals...which is why i am vegan and not
just vegetarian). On a more relevant note to your "saving animals" comment,
I believe it is wrong to kill when it is not necessary and if it is
necessary that it should be done only in the most humane ways possible.

Jen

"tofubar" wrote in message
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I'd also like to point out that sooner or later every vegan I've known
changes back to an omnivorous diet after all the health problems
caused by being one.

health problems come from a bad diet....not a type of diet. Veganism is
healthy when done correctly...just like it is possible for a college student
to eat healthy but most of them don't. (no, folks, potato chips don't count
as your starch for the day)
Oh, and I had terrible health problems before I became vegan...everything
just sort of faded once I became vegan.
Jenae

"tofubar" wrote in message
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Actually I'm not Jonathan. I've really seen people seem to become more
depressed on a vegan diet, even with all sorts of variety and
supplementation. This was my first post to these groups.

as a diagnosed "clinically depressive" I would like to point out that
feeling better health wise usually makes a big difference in how depressed
you are. When I began my healthy vegan diet (i say healthy because vegan
diets can be either healthy or unhealthy) I began feeling less depressed.

Jen

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I just want to remind you Rick that I'm not a vegan and I'm not
even
a
vegetarian yet, though I eat a lot less meat than I used to. I
think
most of what PETA says is pure BS, but I'm also skeptical of what
you
are saying. I don't think anyone has the complete truth. I do
think
that it's common sense that if you really have a moral objection
to
eating meat you shouldn't do it.
================
Then don't. Nobody has ever said that anyone here *has* to eat
meat.
The
reverse cannot be said of vegan loons here though. Just don't try
to
tell
everyone it's because you're 'saving' animals.

* Then why are you in a vegetarian newsgroup?
================
To enlighten the terminally ignorant who seem to inhabit this group.

kindness radiates from you doesn't it? lol
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Yes, it does. I'm here to help you overcome that ignorance. Now, if you
want an example of the vegan compassion
read some of expositories, or ****ants, etals diatribes... They'll wish
people dead.


But
then, it's also an 'ethics' group, so why your concern,
or did you not look to see the groups you're posting to?

Funny, I thought it was you who forgot to check the title.
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No deary, that must be you. "ethics" means a discussion of the idea, not
just a backslapping good-ol-boy get together
telling each other how superior you are.




What exactly did you expect?
If you don't like the heat stay out of the kitchen. And if you don't
like
people telling you not to eat meat, stay out of the vegetarian groups.
======================
LOL Vegans putting heat on somebody?

The second one was meant for this situation....not the first (shakes her
head).

What a hoot! Nothing but lys and

what exactly is a ly?
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You know, a falshood, a delusion told as if you think others are supposed to
believe it.
It's in honor of one of the looniest vegans around who used that as her name
for a while.
Quite appropriate really, since she spewed on about inner-earth beings
living under a mountain in California,
the earth being hollow, and any other number of delusions. Her speciality
seems to be quack medicine.



delusions coming from them here.
Tell me, you believe your diet is cruelty-free?

I believe that I am simply not supporting something I believe to be wrong
(i.e. the industrialization of animals...which is why i am vegan and not
just vegetarian).
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You didn't answer the question. Why is that? Let me ask in your terms
then.
Do you believe that by not supporting the "industrialization of animals"
that your diet is now
somehow cruelty free? By the way, there are no real vegans here on
usenet...


On a more relevant note to your "saving animals" comment,
I believe it is wrong to kill when it is not necessary and if it is
necessary that it should be done only in the most humane ways possible.
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No you don't. You believe no such thing, and your continued posting to
usenet proves that, killer.

Now, go have that nice blood-drenched breakfast, hypocrite.



Jen

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"tofubar" wrote in message
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I'd also like to point out that sooner or later every vegan I've known
changes back to an omnivorous diet after all the health problems
caused by being one.

health problems come from a bad diet....not a type of diet. Veganism is
healthy when done correctly..
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Not without supplements...
The production of which causes animal death and suffering...

..just like it is possible for a college student
to eat healthy but most of them don't. (no, folks, potato chips don't
count
as your starch for the day)
Oh, and I had terrible health problems before I became vegan...everything
just sort of faded once I became vegan.
=====================
Maybe you didn't have that balanced diet you claim you need to be healthy,
eh?



Jenae