On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:01 GMT, wrote:

wrote:
[...]
than it would for them to consider the fact that
they could contribute to less animal deaths by eating some
types of meat than by eating some types of veggies?

Why do you think people ought to place any value on the
unborn farm animals' mere potential to "get to
experience life"?

Meat eating provides life for billions of animals. Veg*nism
does not. If you can think of no reason(s) for that aspect of the
situation to be taken into consideration then you should avoid
discussing it, unless you can explain why it should *not* be
taken into consideration. As yet none of you have been able
to explain why we should consider that meat production kills
animals, but we should avoid considering that it also provides
those same animals with life.

Why do you think they should avoid considering the fact
that they can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but
not by being a veg*n?

Ummm...because it isn't a fact.

Then explain how being a veg*n contributes to decent lives
for farm animals, and for which particular farm animals.

Since it is not a
fact, there's nothing for them to consider.

Why do you think that people who don't want there to BE
any farm animals ought to try to "contribute to decent
lives" for them? That's idiotic and contradictory.

I don't. What I point out is for people who want farm animals
to have decent lives, *not!* for you people who don't want there
to be any farm animals.

This nonsense about "contributing to decent lives for
farm animals" is clearly a ruse. Your poorly
disguised, clearly obvious goal is to try to persuade
people to eat meat in order to keep farm animals in
existence. No one is fooled by your shoddy ruse.

Some farm animals have decent lives and some do not, just
as is true with wildlife, pets, humans, etc. People who want to
contribute to decent lives for farm animals should *not* be veg*ns.
They should be more conscientious consumers.

wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:01 GMT, wrote:


wrote:

[...]

than it would for them to consider the fact that
they could contribute to less animal deaths by eating some
types of meat than by eating some types of veggies?

Why do you think people ought to place any value on the
unborn farm animals' mere potential to "get to
experience life"?


Meat eating provides life for billions of animals.

You keep harping on that. In four and a half years,
you have yet to show why anyone should care about it.
No sensible person does.

Veg*nism does not.

Irrelevant, except to you.

If you can think of no reason(s) for that aspect of the
situation to be taken into consideration then you should avoid
discussing it,

If you think you have a reason *why* anyone should
consider it, present it. I doubt you have.

unless you can explain why it should *not* be
taken into consideration.

That's not how it works. YOU need to show why it
*should* be considered. From where I sit, and
apparently from where most opponents of animal rights
sit, it deserves no consideration at all. It is
meaningless.

As yet none of you have been able
to explain why we should consider that meat production kills
animals,

That's patently false.

but we should avoid considering that it also provides
those same animals with life.

Because "getting to experience life" is morally
meaningless, while deliberately killing animals has
moral meaning to most people.



Why do you think they should avoid considering the fact
that they can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but
not by being a veg*n?

Ummm...because it isn't a fact.


Then explain how being a veg*n contributes to decent lives
for farm animals, and for which particular farm animals.

*Being* a "veg*n", whatever that is, is not intended to
contribute to any quality of life for farm animals.
It's a big mystery why you can't see this.



Since it is not a
fact, there's nothing for them to consider.

Why do you think that people who don't want there to BE
any farm animals ought to try to "contribute to decent
lives" for them? That's idiotic and contradictory.


I don't.

Yes, you clearly do. You want farm animals to exist,
and you think everyone should want them to exist.

What I point out is for people who want farm animals
to have decent lives, *not!* for you people who don't want there
to be any farm animals.

No, that's a bald lie. You are trying to trick vegans
into wanting farm animals to be born and "get to
experience life". Everyone can see what a stupid
attempt at a trick it is.



This nonsense about "contributing to decent lives for
farm animals" is clearly a ruse. Your poorly
disguised, clearly obvious goal is to try to persuade
people to eat meat in order to keep farm animals in
existence. No one is fooled by your shoddy ruse.


Some farm animals have decent lives and some do not, just
as is true with wildlife, pets, humans, etc.

Non sequitur.

People who want to
contribute to decent lives for farm animals should *not* be veg*ns.

There's your shabby trick, again.

They should be more conscientious consumers.

People who believe that deliberately killing animals to
eat them is immoral should not consume meat.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:44:54 GMT, wrote:

wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:01 GMT, wrote:


wrote:

[...]

than it would for them to consider the fact that
they could contribute to less animal deaths by eating some
types of meat than by eating some types of veggies?

Why do you think people ought to place any value on the
unborn farm animals' mere potential to "get to
experience life"?


Meat eating provides life for billions of animals.

You keep harping on that. In four and a half years,
you have yet to show why anyone should care about it.
No sensible person does.

Veg*nism does not.

Irrelevant, except to you.

If you can think of no reason(s) for that aspect of the
situation to be taken into consideration then you should avoid
discussing it,

If you think you have a reason *why* anyone should
consider it, present it. I doubt you have.

unless you can explain why it should *not* be
taken into consideration.

That's not how it works. YOU need to show why it
*should* be considered. From where I sit, and
apparently from where most opponents of animal rights
sit, it deserves no consideration at all. It is
meaningless.

As yet none of you have been able
to explain why we should consider that meat production kills
animals,

That's patently false.

but we should avoid considering that it also provides
those same animals with life.

Because "getting to experience life" is morally
meaningless, while deliberately killing animals has
moral meaning to most people.

Then you need to explain why it's wrong to kill animals.

Why do you think they should avoid considering the fact
that they can contribute to decent lives for farm animals, but
not by being a veg*n?

Ummm...because it isn't a fact.


Then explain how being a veg*n contributes to decent lives
for farm animals, and for which particular farm animals.

*Being* a "veg*n", whatever that is,

The term is beyond your ability to understand, but most
people don't have that limitation.

is not intended to
contribute to any quality of life for farm animals.
It's a big mystery why you can't see this.

I pointed out the fact that people can contribute to decent
lives for farm animals, but not by being a veg*n.

Since it is not a
fact, there's nothing for them to consider.

Why do you think that people who don't want there to BE
any farm animals ought to try to "contribute to decent
lives" for them? That's idiotic and contradictory.


I don't.

Yes, you clearly do. You want farm animals to exist,
and you think everyone should want them to exist.

What I point out is for people who want farm animals
to have decent lives, *not!* for you people who don't want there
to be any farm animals.

No, that's a bald lie. You are trying to trick vegans
into wanting farm animals to be born and "get to
experience life".

Interesting that you veg*ns consider pointing out certain
facts to be a trick. Do you consider pointing out the fact
that animals are killed to be a trick as well?

Everyone can see what a stupid
attempt at a trick it is.



This nonsense about "contributing to decent lives for
farm animals" is clearly a ruse. Your poorly
disguised, clearly obvious goal is to try to persuade
people to eat meat in order to keep farm animals in
existence. No one is fooled by your shoddy ruse.


Some farm animals have decent lives and some do not, just
as is true with wildlife, pets, humans, etc.

Non sequitur.

No. You veg*ns want to trick people into thinking no
farm animals have decent lives. YOU are the ones who
are trying to trick people, and I'm just pointing out another
aspect of the situation that you don't want to see considered
because it doesn't support veg*ism.

People who want to
contribute to decent lives for farm animals should *not* be veg*ns.

There's your shabby trick, again.

It's just a fact thay you hate seeing pointed out, again.

They should be more conscientious consumers.

People who believe that deliberately killing animals to
eat them is immoral should not consume meat.

People who want to contribute to decent lives for farm
animals should not be veg*ns.

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:00:15 GMT, "Candi Bowen" wrote:

I have lupus, & with this condition for unknown reasons, a meatless diet
prolongs life. Read The Lupus Book by Daniel Greene, one of the world's
leading experts on lupus. They don't know the meat connection; maybe it's
the hormones, antibiotics, etc., no one really knows, but since I've been a
vegetarian for the past 6 years, I haven't been hospitalized, or near death.
Is this a good enough reason for you?

Candi

Any reason is good enough, but some people act as if *their* reason--or
at least one of their reasons--is to reduce the cruelty and death they contribute
to. Some even act as if they would like to contribute to better lives for animals,
though that is rare. The point is that veg*nism does *not* contribute to better
lives for farm animals, regardless of the influence it has on the health of different
indiviual humans. If people want to contribute to decent lives for farm animals,
they can *not* do it by being veg*n, and veg*ns should point that out when
people come along asking about the ethics of a veg*n diet. But quite the
opposite is the case...they never point that aspect out, and they oppose me
for pointing it out as well. That shows clearly and without doubt that they are
more interested in promoting veg*nism, than they are in human influence on animals.

Best wishes to you and your success in dealing with your condition, regardless
of your influence or lack of on animals.

David

Candi wrote:
Everyone

EveryTHING. Use "everyONE" to refer to humans. BTW, you should use "who"
rather than his for everyONE.

that lives with me was rescued; 2 horses, one starved nearly to
death by some meat eating person

Was the meat-eating person going to eat his emaciated horse, or was that
irrelevant point thrown in for no good reason? How about a list of veg-n
parents who've made the news for subjecting innocent children to
peculiar diets and causing starvation, disease, and even death?

(got him from Happy Trails, farm sanctuary in Ravenna, OH),

Your point?

2 chickens that the neighbor got & didn't feed (keep in
mind we have 2 acres not quite in the suburbs);

Oh great, another Ohio hick.

they prefer my house go figure,

Go figure what?

3 kittens that a pregnant cat dropped off & 4 dogs (one's paralyzed,
should I perhaps eat him?).

I don't know. Are you Korean?

I was animal caretaker for PigHoppers in
Michigan, fostered 3 pigs at home, & would never eat their flesh.

Pigs make interesting pets, but they also make great bacon, ham, chops,
and roasts according to people who eat them. Feral pigs, though, are a
serious nuisance to farmers, ranchers, and homeowners (as they encroach
upon towns and cities due to swine overpopulation).

The fact that I have lupus

....is none of our business.

& the experts say to avoid meat only reinforces my
personal beliefs;

What experts? The only information I could find about vegetarianism and
lupus came from self-serving activist sites. According to the Lupus
Foundation of America's website,

The cause(s) of lupus is unknown, but there are environmental
and genetic factors involved. While scientists believe there is
a genetic predisposition to the disease, it is known that
environmental factors also play a critical role in triggering
lupus. Some of the environmental factors that may trigger the
disease a infections, antibiotics (especially those in the
sulfa and penicillin groups), ultraviolet light, extreme stress,
certain drugs, and hormones.
http://www.lupus.org/education/cause.html

Most (thought not all!) meat contains some trace levels of antibiotics,
but penicillin's half life is short and it's doubtful it would have ANY
effect on consumers. Other known criteria, like UV, stress, and hormones
(see last paragraph on above link for why women are at higher risk for
lupus) are far more likely to have an effect.

BTW, the Lupus Foundation also says:

Although much is still not known about the nutritional factors
in many kinds of disease, no one questions the necessity of a
well-balanced diet. Fad diets, advocating an excess or an
exclusion of certain types of foods, are much more likely to be
detrimental than beneficial in any disease, including lupus.
Scientists have shown that both antibodies and other cells of
the immune system may be adversely affected by nutritional
deficiencies or imbalances. Thus, significant deviations from a
balanced diet may have profound effects on a network as complex
as the immune system.
http://www.lupus.org/education/diet.html

and I'm healthier.

Than whom or what?

6 years ago before becoming vegetarian
I was hospitalized at least twice a year with pneumonia,

Pneumonia? That's probably where you got the antibiotics, not from meat.

blood clots;

Did they ever try to figure out why you were getting clots?

they were sharpening the blades to amputate my foot.

Hick doctors. Next time go to a big city hospital, where the doctors are
trained in medicine and have modern surgical tools.

Haven't had any problems at all in 4 years. Go figure.

Your reduction in flare-ups is likely due to other factors, perhaps
menopause (stabilization of hormones) or your attention to diet has led
you to have fewer infections requiring less antibiotic therapy. Maybe
you're not getting as much sun, either.

Big Huge Animal Lover Candi

Big huge, huh. Another fat chick on the internet. Go figure.

usual suspect wrote:
EveryTHING. Use "everyONE" to refer to humans. BTW, you should use "who"
rather than his for everyONE.

Oops. You should use "who" rather than "that" for everyONE. Don't start
up, Chelsea.

Candi Bowen wrote:

----------
In article , usual suspect
wrote:

I don't know. Are you Korean?


Hunky.

Szekely Goulash; substitute dog meat for the pork.

http://www.zoltech.net/h/szekely.html


I was animal caretaker for PigHoppers in
Michigan, fostered 3 pigs at home, & would never eat their flesh.

Pigs make interesting pets, but they also make great bacon, ham, chops,
and roasts according to people who eat them. Feral pigs, though, are a
serious nuisance to farmers, ranchers, and homeowners (as they encroach
upon towns and cities due to swine overpopulation).


The fact that I have lupus

...is none of our business.


& the experts say to avoid meat only reinforces my
personal beliefs;

What experts? The only information I could find about vegetarianism and
lupus came from self-serving activist sites. According to the Lupus
Foundation of America's website,

The cause(s) of lupus is unknown, but there are environmental
and genetic factors involved. While scientists believe there is
a genetic predisposition to the disease, it is known that
environmental factors also play a critical role in triggering
lupus. Some of the environmental factors that may trigger the
disease a infections, antibiotics (especially those in the
sulfa and penicillin groups), ultraviolet light, extreme stress,
certain drugs, and hormones.
http://www.lupus.org/education/cause.html

Most (thought not all!) meat contains some trace levels of antibiotics,
but penicillin's half life is short and it's doubtful it would have ANY
effect on consumers. Other known criteria, like UV, stress, and hormones
(see last paragraph on above link for why women are at higher risk for
lupus) are far more likely to have an effect.

BTW, the Lupus Foundation also says:

Although much is still not known about the nutritional factors
in many kinds of disease, no one questions the necessity of a
well-balanced diet. Fad diets, advocating an excess or an
exclusion of certain types of foods, are much more likely to be
detrimental than beneficial in any disease, including lupus.
Scientists have shown that both antibodies and other cells of
the immune system may be adversely affected by nutritional
deficiencies or imbalances. Thus, significant deviations from a
balanced diet may have profound effects on a network as complex
as the immune system.
http://www.lupus.org/education/diet.html


and I'm healthier.


Than when I ate meat.

Post Hoc fallacy.

Have you bothered with the book by Daniel Green as I
suggested? If you're as aware of The Lupus Foundation as you seem to think,

Uh...he actually cited their web page. Where do you
get off with this snide "as you seem to think" crapola?

you surely realize how political they are and are cautious in the extreme
when relaying information.

It is normal and GOOD scientific counsel to be cautious
in the extreme.


Than whom or what?


6 years ago before becoming vegetarian
I was hospitalized at least twice a year with pneumonia,

Pneumonia? That's probably where you got the antibiotics, not from meat.


Lupus pneumonitis came before the antibiotics.

blood clots;

Did they ever try to figure out why you were getting clots?


Yes, the anti-cardiolipid antibody which oftens accompany lupus.

they were sharpening the blades to amputate my foot.

Hick doctors. Next time go to a big city hospital, where the doctors are
trained in medicine and have modern surgical tools.


Hick doctors at University hospital in Ann Arbor, who were consulting with
the Director of Rheumatology at Cleveland University Hospital?

Haven't had any problems at all in 4 years. Go figure.

Your reduction in flare-ups is likely due to other factors, perhaps
menopause (stabilization of hormones) or your attention to diet has led
you to have fewer infections requiring less antibiotic therapy. Maybe
you're not getting as much sun, either.


Big Huge Animal Lover Candi

Big huge, huh. Another fat chick on the internet. Go figure.


Well, I won't be visiting here again.

Candi Bowen wrote:
snip
EveryTHING. Use "everyONE" to refer to humans. BTW, you should use "who"
rather than his for everyONE.

As a professional writer & designer, I use
the words I choose, when I want.

You might be professional, but not a writer.

(got him from Happy Trails, farm sanctuary in Ravenna, OH),

Your point?

Bite me.

I don't bite strangers, especially diseased ones.

2 chickens that the neighbor got & didn't feed (keep in
mind we have 2 acres not quite in the suburbs);

Oh great, another Ohio hick.

Akron is hooterville?

Yes. I've been there. It has less culture than four ounces of fresh yogurt.

3 kittens that a pregnant cat dropped off & 4 dogs (one's paralyzed,
should I perhaps eat him?).

I don't know. Are you Korean?

Hunky.

You mean chunky?

& the experts say to avoid meat only reinforces my
personal beliefs;

What experts? The only information I could find about vegetarianism and
lupus came from self-serving activist sites. According to the Lupus
Foundation of America's website,

The cause(s) of lupus is unknown, but there are environmental
and genetic factors involved. While scientists believe there is
a genetic predisposition to the disease, it is known that
environmental factors also play a critical role in triggering
lupus. Some of the environmental factors that may trigger the
disease a infections, antibiotics (especially those in the
sulfa and penicillin groups), ultraviolet light, extreme stress,
certain drugs, and hormones.
http://www.lupus.org/education/cause.html

Most (thought not all!) meat contains some trace levels of antibiotics,
but penicillin's half life is short and it's doubtful it would have ANY
effect on consumers. Other known criteria, like UV, stress, and hormones
(see last paragraph on above link for why women are at higher risk for
lupus) are far more likely to have an effect.

BTW, the Lupus Foundation also says:

Although much is still not known about the nutritional factors
in many kinds of disease, no one questions the necessity of a
well-balanced diet. Fad diets, advocating an excess or an
exclusion of certain types of foods, are much more likely to be
detrimental than beneficial in any disease, including lupus.
Scientists have shown that both antibodies and other cells of
the immune system may be adversely affected by nutritional
deficiencies or imbalances. Thus, significant deviations from a
balanced diet may have profound effects on a network as complex
as the immune system.
http://www.lupus.org/education/diet.html


and I'm healthier.

Than when I ate meat. Have you bothered with the book by Daniel Green as I
suggested?

No, I don't have a copy of it on hand.

If you're as aware of The Lupus Foundation as you seem to think,
you surely realize how political they are and are cautious in the extreme
when relaying information.

They're neither political nor cautious. You've read fad books written by
vegetarian activists and you think that constitutes science. I can't
change your mind about activism, but I can point to solid and reliable
research. You're making cause and effect relationships that research not
only doesn't support, but refutes.

Pneumonia? That's probably where you got the antibiotics, not from meat.

Lupus pneumonitis came before the antibiotics.

Meat doesn't cause lupus or lupus pneumonitis.

Did they ever try to figure out why you were getting clots?

Yes, the anti-cardiolipid antibody which oftens accompany lupus.

That makes sense, but meat doesn't increase anti-cardiolipiN antibody.
Anti-cardiolipin antibody levels also have their own factors that aren't
related to lupus, including insulin levels, diabetes, etc.

they were sharpening the blades to amputate my foot.

Hick doctors. Next time go to a big city hospital, where the doctors are
trained in medicine and have modern surgical tools.

Hick doctors at University hospital in Ann Arbor, who were consulting with
the Director of Rheumatology at Cleveland University Hospital?

Yes. Hick doctors.

Haven't had any problems at all in 4 years. Go figure.

Your reduction in flare-ups is likely due to other factors, perhaps
menopause (stabilization of hormones) or your attention to diet has led
you to have fewer infections requiring less antibiotic therapy. Maybe
you're not getting as much sun, either.

You could've addressed these issues, Candi. I know a few people with
lupus, and nearly all of them eat meat. Their flare-ups are rare, often
years between complaints (sound familiar?). Anecdotal evidence, though,
isn't proof of causation -- whether veg-n or meat-eater. Scientific
studies just don't back up your claims that a veg-n diet is
advantageous. I'm glad you're not suffering, though.

"Candi Bowen" wrote in message
. ..

----------

snippage...


Well, I won't be visiting here again.
===============
What a surprise....

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 17:05:27 GMT, usual suspect wrote:

Candi Bowen wrote:
snip
EveryTHING. Use "everyONE" to refer to humans. BTW, you should use "who"
rather than his for everyONE.

As a professional writer & designer, I use
the words I choose, when I want.

You might be professional, but not a writer.

Stop trolling Jon, and use your real ID AGAIN U nutcase.







. . . . . . . .





The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
the opinions to me.
The distinction is yours to draw...

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\ \___ / |
/- _ `-/ '
(/\/ \ \ /\
/ / | ` \
O O ) / |
`-^--'` '
(_.) _ ) /
`.___/` /
`-----' /
----. __ / __ \
----|====O)))==) \) /====
----' `--' `.__,' \
| |
\ /
______( (_ / \______
,' ,-----' | \
`--{__________) \/

I'm a horny devil when riled.


pete who?

-=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97

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/ .""".\ //{///
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I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic!

Pete wrote:
As a professional writer & designer, I use
the words I choose, when I want.

You might be professional, but not a writer.

Stop trolling Jon, and use your real ID AGAIN U nutcase.

This is my real ID, Malcolm/Pete/whatever.

The facts expressed here belong to everybody,

You never use facts.

the opinions to me.

You should keep your silly opinions to yourself.

The distinction is yours to draw...

And quarter?

I'm a horny devil when riled.

You should take a cold shower.

pete who?

Too bad your parents didn't name you Richard instead. You're a real Dick.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:51:32 GMT, usual suspect wrote:

Pete wrote:
As a professional writer & designer, I use
the words I choose, when I want.

You might be professional, but not a writer.

Stop trolling Jon, and use your real ID AGAIN U nutcase.

This is my real ID, Malcolm/Pete/whatever.

The facts expressed here belong to everybody,

You never use facts.

the opinions to me.

You should keep your silly opinions to yourself.

The distinction is yours to draw...

And quarter?

I'm a horny devil when riled.

You should take a cold shower.

pete who?

Too bad your parents didn't name you Richard instead. You're a real Dick.

Sad dwarf, troll animal abuser. Do you abuse your son Jon, I wonder
has anyone advised the social care dept about your propensity for
deviancy. We already have a sister ****er here, don't need a son
****er too, or are you him as well Jon?









. . . . . . . .





The facts expressed here belong to everybody,
the opinions to me.
The distinction is yours to draw...

/( )`
\ \___ / |
/- _ `-/ '
(/\/ \ \ /\
/ / | ` \
O O ) / |
`-^--'` '
(_.) _ ) /
`.___/` /
`-----' /
----. __ / __ \
----|====O)))==) \) /====
----' `--' `.__,' \
| |
\ /
______( (_ / \______
,' ,-----' | \
`--{__________) \/

I'm a horny devil when riled.


pete who?

-=[ Grim Reaper ]=- 6/97

.""--.._
[] `'--.._
||__ `'-,
`)||_ ```'--.. \
_ /|//} ``--._ |
.'` `'. /////} `\/
/ .""".\ //{///
/ /_ _`\\ // `||
| |(_)(_)|| _// ||
| | /\ )| _///\ ||
| |L====J | / |/ | ||
/ /'-..-' / .'` \ | ||
/ | :: | |_.-` | \ ||
/| `\-::.| | \ | ||
/` `| / | | | / ||
|` \ | / / \ | ||
| `\_| |/ ,.__. \ | ||
/ /` `\ || ||
| . / \|| ||
| | |/ ||
/ / | ( ||
/ . / ) ||
| \ | ||
/ | / ||
|\ / | ||
\ `-._ | / ||
\ ,//`\ /` | ||
///\ \ | \ ||
|||| ) |__/ | ||
|||| `.( | ||
`\\` /` / ||
/` / ||
jgs / | ||
| \ ||
/ | ||
/` \ ||
/` | ||
`-.___,-. .-. ___,' ||
`---'` `'----'`
I need a drink, feel all giddy...hic!

usual suspect wrote:
Pete wrote:

As a professional writer & designer, I use
the words I choose, when I want.


You might be professional, but not a writer.


Stop trolling Jon, and use your real ID AGAIN U nutcase.


This is my real ID, Malcolm/Pete/whatever.

The best is Bunghole. Malcolm/Pete used to call
himself 'Bishop Mbongo', which I quickly fixed to
Bunghole. He also used to go by 'John Thomas', which
is British slang for penis.

All of his names translate to Zero.


The facts expressed here belong to everybody,


You never use facts.

the opinions to me.


You should keep your silly opinions to yourself.

The distinction is yours to draw...


And quarter?

I'm a horny devil when riled.


You should take a cold shower.

pete who?


Too bad your parents didn't name you Richard instead. You're a real Dick.