"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.

K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.

Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.

--
Peace,
Fred
remove FFFf from my email address to reply.

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.

Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.

Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it look
good, and heaven knows what else. No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

--
Peace,
Fred
remove FFFf from my email address to reply.

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.
Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.
Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it

Not a problem.


and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it look
good, and heaven knows what else.

No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.


No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

That's your choice. However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.

"Fred" wrote in message
...
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation
for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition
to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and healthy
life.

Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look
good, and heaven knows what else. No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

And you have to kill to produce soya beans and it comes laced with
herbicides and pesticides and chemical fertilizers. Maybe you should stop
eating altogether.

"Dutch" wrote in message
...

"Fred" wrote in message
...
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation
for
a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in addition
to
daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was a strict
vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and
healthy
life.

Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look
good, and heaven knows what else. No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

And you have to kill to produce soya beans and it comes laced with
herbicides and pesticides and chemical fertilizers. Maybe you should stop
eating altogether.

We should all thank our lucky stars that we are able to eat anything. I had
a bad colonoscopy, and had to undergo a complete purge (you do not want to
know) and I couldn't eat anything for two days prior to the next one.
Yesterday was the first day when I could eat, and my stomach had gone into
the hibernation mode, and I could barely get anything down. Today I had
plain white bread and boiled chicken sandwich. Tonight I will try something
more rough, like rye bread. The hot chili with jalapenos is some months
into the future, maybe.

K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation
for a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in
addition to daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was
a strict vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and
healthy life.
Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.
Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it

Not a problem.

Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.


and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.

No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.

Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?

No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

That's your choice. However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.

Humanist. Caring people don't eat meat.

--
Peace,
Fred
remove FFFf from my email address to reply.

Billzz wrote:

We should all thank our lucky stars that we are able to eat anything. I
had a bad colonoscopy, and had to undergo a complete purge (you do not
want to know) and I couldn't eat anything for two days prior to the next
one. Yesterday was the first day when I could eat, and my stomach had gone
into
the hibernation mode, and I could barely get anything down. Today I had
plain white bread and boiled chicken sandwich. Tonight I will try
something
more rough, like rye bread. The hot chili with jalapenos is some months
into the future, maybe.

As hard as that was for you, it was harder on the chicken.

--
Peace,
Fred
remove FFFf from my email address to reply.

On Jun 27, 11:27*am, Fred wrote:

[snip]

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. *Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it

Not a problem.

* * * * Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.

Having to kill for your food does not make one a psychopath. We all
kill living things to eat, vegans included. Unless you somehow manage
to subsist on salt alone, everything you eat was once alive.

and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.

No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.

* * * * Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?

In the UK that is pretty common, with all the major retailers offering
organic meat and produce.

No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

That's your choice. *However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.

* * * * Humanist. *Caring people don't eat meat.

********. Humanist means one who has studied the humanities.

The only time caring comes to play in what you eat is when you make
certain that your food had a good life and was killed humanely. Easy
enough to do.

Since hominids have adapted to meat-eating long before Homo Sapiens
came along, I do not see any reason to alter my diet, especially when
doing so would mean having to take artificial supplements as vegans
have to do. That little fact alone reveals that a vegan diet is not an
ideal diet for humans. An ideal diet for any species will not need any
supplements, as the micronutrients are provided by the diet.

On Jun 27, 3:33*pm, Dragonblaze wrote:
On Jun 27, 11:27*am, Fred wrote:

[snip]

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. *Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.

And you have to kill to get it

Not a problem.

* * * * Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.

Having to kill for your food does not make one a psychopath. We all
kill living things to eat, vegans included. Unless you somehow manage
to subsist on salt alone, everything you eat was once alive.

and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.

No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.

* * * * Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?

In the UK that is pretty common, with all the major retailers offering
organic meat and produce.

No thanks I'll never eat meat again.

That's your choice. *However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.

* * * * Humanist. *Caring people don't eat meat.

********. Humanist means one who has studied the humanities.

The only time caring comes to play in what you eat is when you make
certain that your food had a good life and was killed humanely. Easy
enough to do.

Since hominids have adapted to meat-eating long before Homo Sapiens
came along, I do not see any reason to alter my diet, especially when
doing so would mean having to take artificial supplements as vegans
have to do. That little fact alone reveals that a vegan diet is not an
ideal diet for humans. An ideal diet for any species will not need any
supplements, as the micronutrients are provided by the diet.
______________________________
Garden of Eden (protection in balance) was destroyed by same selective
taking of knowledge
of good and evil, reasons for eatting meat conveniently , then when
fruit of this action
without considering the ACT itself,fell from the tree, it led them to
be forced off the desolate land they
gathered and hunted to death, and later with their goats in tow,

Like the meat-eatters in this blog they covered their shame with fig
leaves, w/symblzd
'reason' or as we say logical excuse.....'well my meat eatting alone
couldn't be causing all
those deserts to be growing in america"...etc etc "I cant live without
my meatymeal"...and so on.

Dragonblaze wrote:
On Jun 27, 11:27 am, Fred wrote:

[snip]

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.
And you have to kill to get it
Not a problem.
Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.

Having to kill for your food does not make one a psychopath. We all
kill living things to eat, vegans included. Unless you somehow manage
to subsist on salt alone, everything you eat was once alive.

It isn't an issue at all killing carrots. The problem for people who
claim to be vegetarian for ethical reasons is that animals are killed in
the course of producing vegetable crops. There is no such thing as
produce that is free of animal deaths.


and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.
No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.
Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?

In the UK that is pretty common, with all the major retailers offering
organic meat and produce.

In the U.S., it is quite common to find both organically produced meat,
and meat that isn't organic but is free of hormones, dyes and antibiotics.



No thanks I'll never eat meat again.
That's your choice. However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.
Humanist. Caring people don't eat meat.

********. Humanist means one who has studied the humanities.

The only time caring comes to play in what you eat is when you make
certain that your food had a good life and was killed humanely. Easy
enough to do.

Since hominids have adapted to meat-eating long before Homo Sapiens
came along, I do not see any reason to alter my diet, especially when
doing so would mean having to take artificial supplements as vegans
have to do. That little fact alone reveals that a vegan diet is not an
ideal diet for humans. An ideal diet for any species will not need any
supplements, as the micronutrients are provided by the diet.

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

Fred wrote:
K wrote:

"Those close to Michael Jackson say he had been working diligently to
get back in shape for his planned comeback next month in London.

"A year ago, he was gaunt and using a wheelchair, but in preparation
for a 50-show run in London, he was exercising with a trainer in
addition to daylong rehearsals with dancers half his age. He also was
a strict vegetarian."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...jackson-2.html


Meanwhile, I've had the good fortune to be acquainted with over half a
dozen people over the last several years who have lived into their 90s
and are or were /extremely/ healthy and vibrant. All of them are
omnivores. They ate meat, and everything else, in moderation.

Moderate amounts of meat, coupled with abstinence from vices like
alcohol, tobacco and other drugs, will help you live a long and
healthy life.
Your sample size is too small and your conclusions bogus. Leaving out
alcohol, tobacco and other recreational drugs will improve your health.
Eating meat will not.
Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.
And you have to kill to get it
Not a problem.

Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.

No, killing animals to eat them is not evidence of psychopathology.


and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.
No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.

Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?
No thanks I'll never eat meat again.
That's your choice. However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.

Humanist. Caring people don't eat meat.

Why don't you care anything about the many animals that were killed in
the course of producing your vegetables?

billyquealy wrote:
On Jun 27, 3:33 pm, Dragonblaze wrote:
On Jun 27, 11:27 am, Fred wrote:

[snip]

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.
And you have to kill to get it
Not a problem.
Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.
Having to kill for your food does not make one a psychopath. We all
kill living things to eat, vegans included. Unless you somehow manage
to subsist on salt alone, everything you eat was once alive.

and it comes laced with residues of growth
hormones and anti-biotics and red dyes that the butcher adds to make it
look good, and heaven knows what else.
No, none of that is necessary, and quite a lot of meat doesn't contain
any of that.
Yeah it does. unless you buy organic meat, and how many people do?
In the UK that is pretty common, with all the major retailers offering
organic meat and produce.

No thanks I'll never eat meat again.
That's your choice. However, most of your reasons for not eating it,
particularly the slaughter of the animals, are specious.
Humanist. Caring people don't eat meat.
********. Humanist means one who has studied the humanities.

The only time caring comes to play in what you eat is when you make
certain that your food had a good life and was killed humanely. Easy
enough to do.

Since hominids have adapted to meat-eating long before Homo Sapiens
came along, I do not see any reason to alter my diet, especially when
doing so would mean having to take artificial supplements as vegans
have to do. That little fact alone reveals that a vegan diet is not an
ideal diet for humans. An ideal diet for any species will not need any
supplements, as the micronutrients are provided by the diet.
______________________________
Garden of Eden (protection in balance) was destroyed by same selective
taking of knowledge
of good and evil, reasons for eatting meat conveniently , then when
fruit of this action
without considering the ACT itself,fell from the tree, it led them to
be forced off the desolate land they
gathered and hunted to death, and later with their goats in tow,

Like the meat-eatters in this blog they covered their shame with fig
leaves,

Meat eaters are not ashamed of eating meat.

wrote:
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:10:33 -0700, K wrote:

Dragonblaze wrote:
On Jun 27, 11:27 am, Fred wrote:

[snip]

Eating meat in moderate amounts won't harm your health, either. Meat is
an excellent source of protein, some minerals and other nutrients.
And you have to kill to get it
Not a problem.
Well, unless you're a psychopath, it is.
Having to kill for your food does not make one a psychopath. We all
kill living things to eat, vegans included. Unless you somehow manage
to subsist on salt alone, everything you eat was once alive.
It isn't an issue at all killing carrots. The problem for people who
claim to be vegetarian for ethical reasons is that animals are killed in
the course of producing vegetable crops. There is no such thing as
produce that is free of animal deaths.



Right! Well said and to the point!

Collateral animal deaths in agriculture completely negates so-called
"ethical vegetarianism", unless the "ethical" vegetarian grows every bit
of his own food. Of course, no one does that. Even if one did, there
is one's participation in all other aspects of modern life in which
animals are killed in the course of producing goods and services,
without consequence for the killers.