Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

On Jul 2, 1:18*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:
Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

Yeah, right. It's all the fault of people who work for a living, that
some people are bums. :O|

On Jul 5, 12:48*pm, Stan de SD wrote:
On Jul 2, 1:18*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:

Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

Yeah, right. It's all the fault of people who work for a living, that
some people are bums. :O|

america is on a crusade to criminalize poverty, and in particular to
marginalize the homeless, there is no getting around it. In Palo Alto
the sit-lie ordinance was specifically extended from the main street
downtown several blocks away to target Victor. He is still foolish
enough to hold onto the american dream, pretending not to notice that
our civil liberties are under attack and fast disappearing. This is
the point i was trying to make, not to endlessly argue a flawed
concept about the classist and racist nature of our society, work
ethics, pc greed, nimbyist attitudes and about who or what a bum is or
isn't.

On Jul 5, 10:29*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:
On Jul 5, 12:48*pm, Stan de SD wrote:

On Jul 2, 1:18*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:

Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

Yeah, right. It's all the fault of people who work for a living, that
some people are bums. :O|

america is on a crusade to criminalize poverty, and in particular to
marginalize the *homeless, there is no getting around it.

You mean Americans are finally fed up with all this PC crap that bums,
druggies, alkies, and derelicts are somehow "victims" who are not to
be held to the same standard as everyone else, right?

In Palo Alto
the sit-lie ordinance was specifically extended from the main street
downtown several blocks away to target Victor. He is still foolish
enough to hold onto the american dream, pretending not to notice that
our civil liberties are under attack and fast disappearing.

Since when is camping out on a sidewalk or ****ing/shitting in public
a "civil liberty"?

This is
the point i was trying to make, not to endlessly argue a flawed
concept about the classist and racist nature of our society,

You made your point - you're a closet commie. Maybe you can buy Victor
a ticket to Cuba if you care so ****ing much... :O|

On Jul 2, 1:18*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:
Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

Victor refuses to kowtow to anyone. I don't blame him. He's set his
goals and he is sticking to them without compromise except for
whatever may be physically forced upon him.

At his age, the human body experiences problems like type II diabetes,
insulin resistance, and hormone changes. These things are harder to
control when you're poor. Maybe this is what you're looking at.
Apart from that, he is out panhandling like a job. He has a very
strong work ethic, not to be swayed by anyone. There are times he's
out there 10 hours per day in the hot weather. He is indeed very
intelligent.

On Jul 6, 12:18*am, Stan de SD wrote:
On Jul 5, 10:29*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:

On Jul 5, 12:48*pm, Stan de SD wrote:

On Jul 2, 1:18*pm, Pinnochio Mojo wrote:

Once upon a time Victor was a very intelligent, resourceful and
insightful person. Sitting on the streets all these years have
hardened him considerably, i hardly recognize him today. He should be
the first person to recognize that uppermiddle class america is on a
crusade to criminalize poverty, and the marginalize homeless.

Yeah, right. It's all the fault of people who work for a living, that
some people are bums. :O|

america is on a crusade to criminalize poverty, and in particular to
marginalize the *homeless, there is no getting around it.

You mean Americans are finally fed up with all this PC crap that bums,
druggies, alkies, and derelicts are somehow "victims" who are not to
be held to the same standard as everyone else, right?

*In Palo Alto
the sit-lie ordinance was specifically extended from the main street
downtown several blocks away to target Victor. He is still foolish
enough to hold onto the american dream, pretending not to notice that
our civil liberties are under attack and fast disappearing.

Since when is camping out on a sidewalk or ****ing/shitting in public
a "civil liberty"?

This is
the point i was trying to make, not to endlessly argue a flawed
concept about the classist and racist nature of our society,

You made your point - you're a closet commie. Maybe you can buy Victor
a ticket to Cuba if you care so ****ing much... :O|

Panhandling on a sidewalk has substantial elements of "expressive
activity"
which involves the "civil liberty" of freedom of expression. People
will perceive
your panhandling differently on whether you are sitting or standing.
If you are
sitting, you will seem safer to approach or pass by. If you are
standing, a passerby
might not feel as safe and might avoid you completely at a "safe
distance".

The "sit-lie" ordinance interferes with this choice of personal
expression. It creates
government-mandated non-verbal expression to others by making the
panhandler stand up.
Read the case Roulette v. City of Seattle
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/script...h/9435354.html

On the second point above, the bums on the streeets are not the major
entitlement bunnies of our society,
who are not held to the same standard of responsibility as shmos like
us.

Another news story:

http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/article/2008-7-9-frost

On Jul 9, 7:51*am, wrote:
Another news story:

http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/article/2008-7-9-frost

i don't believe Victor recognizes the unapologetic apathy and
religious greed that defines most american citizens these days.

July 25th 2008 update - "Panhandler Sticking To His Guns"

http://www.PaloAltoOnline.com/news/s...ry.php?id=8827