Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:





On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT ****: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you ****ing dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.




I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.

This info says it does:

"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."

It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*.

Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag and talentless liar,
blabbered:
On Feb 2, 10:57 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:





On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------****-----
By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT ****: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you ****ing dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.
I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.
This info says it does:
"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."
It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*.- Hide quoted text -




HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Possibly so if

No, it's just *SO*, douchebag ronnnnnnnie. Cohen is
trying to pull a fast one, and you, you little lying
douchebag, are trying to help him. He even helped you
slop together that crude, shitty web page of yours.

On Feb 2, 10:19 am, wrote:
On Feb 2, 11:10 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:





Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag and talentless liar,
blabbered:

On Feb 2, 10:57 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:

On Feb 1, 8:16 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 5:23 pm, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------******-----
By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html
Dear Mr. Cohen,
Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]
DOUBLE STANDARD
Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.
According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1
The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.
It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.
IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.
ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT ****: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.
Milk protein does not cause IGF-1 to be produced.
Milk protein *and* soy protein cause IGF-1 to be
produced, you ****ing dunce. Soy protein causes *MORE*
IGF-1 to be produced than an equivalent amount of milk
protein.
I apologize for saying protein does not cause a slight elevation
in serum IGF-1.
This info says it does:
"Studies have show that milk consumption has a long term affect
by elevating IGF-I levels in milk drinkers by a factor of ten
percent. That same study accounted for the "protein affect" and
negated its power when compered to milk's IGF-I raising
property."
It is the protein in milk that raises IGF-1 levels,
douchebag ronnnnnnie. The protein in soy raises it
even *more*.- Hide quoted text -

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Possibly so if

No, it's just *SO*, douchebag ronnnnnnnie. Cohen is
trying to pull a fast one, and you, you little lying
douchebag, are trying to help him. He even helped you
slop together that crude, shitty web page of yours.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL!!

Instead of making wild libelous statements

Cohen has no background in science; NONE whatever. There is nothing
libelous about saying that.

YOU, Ron "douchebag" J. Hamilton, also have no background in science.
Neither one of you knows your flabby ass from your pimply face about
nutrition or anything else that requires any scientific knowledge.