Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:



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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html

Dear Mr. Cohen,

Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction
caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]

DOUBLE STANDARD

Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.

According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1

The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.

It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.




IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.

ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT ****: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1. A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.

You and Cohen are ****ing idiots, and he's a CHARLATAN
and a FRAUD.

"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message link.net...
Ron Hamilton, "vegan" douchebag, blabbered:
On Feb 1, 11:25 am, Rudy Canoza wrote:
Ron Hamilton, pansy in Medicine Hat, Alberta and
another fanatical anti-dairy liar with *NO* scientific
credentials whatever, blabbered:

'Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours etc
on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and
doing something about it (learning about oneself can be painful),
and to distract and divert attention away from themselves and
their inadequacies. Projection is achieved through blame,
criticism and allegation; once you realise this, every criticism,
allegation etc that the bully makes about their target is actually
an admission or revelation about themselves. This knowledge
can be used to perceive the bully's own misdemeanours; for
instance, when the allegations are of financial or sexual
impropriety, it is likely that the bully has committed these acts;
when the bully makes an allegation of abuse (such allegations
tend to be vague and non-specific), it is likely to be the bully
who has committed the abuse. When the bully makes allegations
of, say, "cowardice" or "negative attitude" it is the bully who is
a coward or has a negative attitude.
....'
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/serial.htm

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By Robert Cohen Executive Director
Of what? Some bullshit sham organization that is just
a front for his soy products company.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/notmilk.html

'The main sources of support for the Weston A. Price Foundation
are the dues and contributions of its members. The Foundation
receives no funding from any government agency or private
corporation. Although many of our members are farmers, the
Foundation has no ties with the meat or dairy industry, nor with
any organization promoting these industries. ..
http://www.westonaprice.org/funding.html

'Free range eggs, chickens, meat, soupbones, pet food, rabbit.
...
Veal, beef, chickens and eggs, dairy, cheeses, seasonal produce
...
grass-fed beef and pork
...
nitrite-free bacon, grass-fed beef
...
http://www.westonaprice.org/local_ch...resources.html

"Julie and Joe [Morris] contacted me through the Weston Price
foundation and I was glad to know that grass-fed beef was available
in our area.
...."
http://www.alderspring.com/articles/...0research.html

Dear Mr. Cohen,

Today an email was forwarded to us in which you cited
an article by Mark Messina minimizing the link between
soy foods and thyroid dysfunction. Apparently you are
not aware of the vast literature on thyroid dysfunction

'Soy and thyroid

Can soy cause hypothyroidism? - Some foods contain
compounds called goitrogens that interfere with thyroid
function. In extreme cases these goitrogens can cause
goiter (an enlarged thyroid gland). Increasing iodine intake
prevents this goitrogenic effect of soy. Some research also
indicates that heating soy eliminates part of this goitrogenic
effects. Around 1950 there were several cases of goiter in
infants fed with soy flour based formulas, which were not
fortified with iodine. These formulas do no longer exist
and infant formulas are now based on soy protein isolates
(not soy flour) and are also fortified with iodine. No cases
of goiter have been reported in babies fed with these
formulas.

Recent studies indicate that there is little risk to thyroid
function in healthy people who consume soy. However,
people who have too low intake of iodine could be at risk.
Increasing iodine intake is easy: this can be done by using
of iodized salt or by taking iodine supplements. According
to the American Thyroid Association "soy does not cause
hypothyroidism, but it does interfere with the body's ability
to absorb thyroid replacement therapy". In practice, this
means that thyroid medication and soy products must not
be taken at the same time. The FDA rejected earlier claims
that soy adversely affected the thyroid due to lack of
evidence. In Asian countries where consumption of soy
is 10 to 100 times higher than in the Western world there's
no higher occurrence of goiter.

What if I have hypothyroisism? - Some doctors suggest
that thyroid medications be taken at a different time of the
day than soy protein to maximize absorption of the
medication. Hypothyroidism is very common among
women so you may want to have your thyroid levels
checked every couple years or so, whether or not you eat
soy. Hypothyroidism has not been a concern in human
studies. Studies with athletes have not shown any negative
effects of soy to thyroid health. The FDA has neither issued
a consumer warning, nor stopped infant formula from being
used, nor stopped soy foods from being sold. The FDA
reviewed the medical literature for two years and found no
proven evidence that soy would harm the thyroid. A lot of
soy concerns come from one in vitro study, which uses
pure isoflavones in high concentrations.
....'
http://www.soya.be/soy-thyroid.php

caused by soy foods, nor of Dr. Messina's position as a
consultant and promoter for the soy industry. It is
unfortunate that so much dis-information and
misunderstanding exists around such vital health
issues. Too often it seems that scientific information
is twisted and turned in order to fit a pre-set agenda.
[especially the sales agenda of Robert Cohen, soy
huckster - ed.]

See above.

DOUBLE STANDARD

Soy promoters often operate under a double standard,
condemning a substance in milk while praising the same
compound when it occurs in soy. One egregious example
is that of Insulin-like Growth Factor-1, or IGF-1. You
have been very vociferous in your condemnation of rBGH
milk because it contains high levels of IGF-1, a
compound that has been implicated as causing breast
cancer. However, you are silent when it comes to the
IGF-1 levels in soy. When they are found in soy,
promoters describe them as a benefit for bones. This is
similar to the promotion of fluoride by the dental
profession, while ridiculing its serious adverse health
effects.

According to findings reported by researchers Arjmandi
and Khalil, April 2001, soy increases serum IGF-1
levels. They took 64 healthy men and randomly assigned
them to two groups, one that consumed 40 g of
milk-based protein a day for three months and the other
that took in 40 g of soy-based protein on the same
schedule. Urine and blood samples showed that both
groups experienced an increase in a substance
associated with bone formation known as insulin-like
growth factor-1.1

The group consuming soy protein had significantly more
of this growth factor, according to Arjmandi. He and
Khalil presented their findings at the Experimental
Biology 2001 meeting in Orlando. "This is the first
study to show that soy may benefit skeletal health in
males," Arjmandi is quoted as saying.

It is unbelievable that an increase in IGF-1 levels
could ever be interpreted as something "beneficial," as
there are over 1900 studies on MEDLINE alone clearly
showing the implications of IGF-1 in hormonal cancers.
Such is the double standard we fine in health research
science.

IGF-1 in meat is broken down by the digestive system into it's
basic amino acid components. The same would be true *IF* in fact
MAMMAL hormones are found in plants.

ronnnnnnie, you stupid IGNORANT ****: the soy protein
*causes* the human body to produce the IGF-1.

Who is? "IGF-1 levels in soy" - your paste, just above.

'Does too much protein in the diet increase cancer risk?

Study shows low-protein, low-calorie dieters have reduced
levels of hormone linked to cancer. A great deal of research
connects nutrition with cancer risk. Overweight people are
at higher risk of developing post-menopausal breast cancer,
endometrial cancer, colon cancer, kidney cancer and a
certain type of esophageal cancer. Now preliminary findings
from researchers at Washington University School of
Medicine in St. Louis suggest that eating less protein may help
protect against certain cancers that are not directly associated
with obesity. The research, published in the December issue
of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, shows that lean
people on a long-term, low-protein, low-calorie diet or
participating in regular endurance exercise training have lower
levels of plasma growth factors and certain hormones linked to
cancer risk.

Fontana and colleagues found significantly lower blood levels
of plasma insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) in the low-protein
diet group than in either the equally lean runners or the sedentary
people eating a standard Western diet. Past research has linked
pre-menopausal breast cancer, prostate cancer and certain types
of colon cancer to high levels of IGF-1, a powerful growth factor
that promotes cell proliferation. Data from animal studies also
suggest that lower IGF-1 levels are associated with maximal
lifespan.

"Our findings show that in normal weight people IGF-1 levels
are related to protein intake, independent of body weight and fat
mass," Fontana says. "I believe our findings suggest that protein
intake may be very important in regulating cancer risk."

Fontana L, Klein S, Holloszy JO. Long-term low-protein, low-
calorie diet and endurance exercise modulat metabolic factors
associated with cancer risk. American Journal of Clinical
Nutrition, vol. 84; pp. 1456-1462, December 2006.

http://mednews.wustl.edu/news/page/n...?emailID=12304

A given
amount of soy protein causes the human body to produce
MORE IGF-1 than an equal amount of milk protein.

'Circulating levels of insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) and
insulin-like growth factor-binding protein-3 (IGFBP-3) have
each been associated with premenopausal breast cancer risks.
We analyzed data from a cross-sectional study of 261
premenopausal Japanese women aged 20-54 yr with adequate
nutritional status to evaluate the relationships between
concentrations of IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 in serum and dietary
intakes of soy, fats and other nutrients. Diet was assessed by
a semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire. There was
no significant correlation between soy product as well as soy
isoflavone intake and serum IGF-1 or IGFBP-3 levels after
controlling for age, total energy, percent body fat, and
education level. Total fat intake was significantly inversely
correlated with serum IGFBP-3 level (r = -0.13, P = 0.04).
The correlations of saturated and monounsaturated fats with
serum IGFBP-3 were of borderline significance (r = -0.12,
P = 0.06 and r = -0.11, P = 0.07, respectively).
...'
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15059756

You and Cohen are ****ing idiots, and he's a CHARLATAN
and a FRAUD.

*Meta-Analysis: "Milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate
cancer.... In conclusion, we found a positive association between
milk consumption and prostate cancer."
Nutr Cancer. 2004;48(T):22-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 15203374.]

* "Among the food items we examined, cheese was most closely
correlated with the incidence of testicular cancer at ages 20-39,
followed by animal fats and milk.... Concerning prostatic cancer,
milk was most closely correlated with its incidence, followed by
meat and coffee.... The food that was most closely correlated
with the mortality rate of prostatic cancer was milk, followed by
coffee, cheese and animal fats." Int J Cancer. 2002
Mar 10;98(2):262-7. [Search Pubmed.org for 11857417.]
...
* "Suggestive positive associations were also seen between fatal
prostate cancer and the consumption of milk, cheese, eggs, and
meat. There was an orderly dose-response between each of the
four animal products and risk." Am J Epidemiol. 1984
Aug: 120(2):244-50. [Search PubMed.org for 6465122.]
...
* "Positive correlations between foods and cancer mortality rates
were particularly strong in the case of meats and milk for breast
cancer, milk for prostate and ovarian cancer, and meats for colon
cancer." Cancer 1986 Dec 1;58(11):2363-71. [Search Pubmed.org
for 3768832.]
...
4. Estrogen. In the United States, most dairy cows are pregnant,
so their milk is rich with female sex hormones, including the
cancer-promoting hormone, estrogen. (Unlike humans, pregnant
cows continue to produce milk.) Med Hypotheses, 2004;62(1):
133-42. [Search Pubmed.org for 9438850.] Estrogen receptors are
found on the prostate gland as well as in breast and ovarian tissue.

5. Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1), and recombinant Bovine
Growth Hormone (rBGH, sometimes called BST).

* IGF-1 is a mitogenic hormone found in milk. Cow's milk
naturally has IGF-1 in it, but IGF-1 levels increase between
3.6 and more than 10-fold when cows are injected with rBGH.
[Search Pubmed.org for 7993454 or 7993421.]
.....'
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...57/ai_n7638034

lesley's weird beliefs:



"veganism"
"inner earth beings"
"hollow earth"
that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
rain forest destruction
Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
Stolen French flying saucer
Zapper
Foot massage (as cure-all)
Astrology
Numerology
Alien abduction
bestiality
Leprechauns
Channeling
Polar fountains
Sun gazing
Chemtrails
AIDS and ebola conspiracy theory
Crop circles
sexually aroused by violent ex-convicts
participation in skinhead subculture
the validity of online IQ tests
crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories
Jeff Rense for "news"
long-debunked legends about "ageless wonders"

archived evidence of the above:
http://tinyurl.com/h0br
http://tinyurl.com/h0bl
http://tinyurl.com/v5p8
http://tinyurl.com/v5pf
http://tinyurl.com/mh5w
http://tinyurl.com/mh6h
http://tinyurl.com/mh6r
http://tinyurl.com/mh71
http://tinyurl.com/mh7a
http://tinyurl.com/mh7j
http://tinyurl.com/mh7p
http://tinyurl.com/v5jj
http://tinyurl.com/v5kd
http://tinyurl.com/v5l6
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5fj
http://tinyurl.com/v5fp
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5ga
http://tinyurl.com/v5gc
http://tinyurl.com/v5i2
http://tinyurl.com/v5gk
http://tinyurl.com/v5h1
http://tinyurl.com/v5h9

"Rudy Canoza" wrote in message link.net...

'Faking quotes, forged posts, lies, filth, harassment.
http://www.iol.ie/~creature/boiled%20ball.html

9/17/2002 Milk, Pregnancy, Cancer May be Tied - 9/10 Reuters
....
MILK CONSUMPTION IS KEY

Using data from a large, long-term study of more than 1,000 nurses
who record their diets carefully and who are then watched for
changes in health, Holmes' team also found that those who drank
the most milk had higher levels of IGF-1.

IGF-1 is important to the growth and function of many organs, but
higher levels have been associated with an increased risk of prostate,
colon, lung and breast cancer.

"We concluded that greater milk consumption was associated with
higher levels of IGF-1," said Holmes. "This association raises the
possibility that diet could increase cancer risk by increasing levels
of IGF-1 in the blood stream.
...'
http://www.fass.org/FASStrack/news_item.asp?news_id=689

'Frequent consumption (more than once a day) of soy milk was
associated with 70 per cent reduction of the risk of prostate cancer
(relative risk = 0.3, 95 percent confidence interval 0.1-1.0, p-value
for linear trend = 0.03). The association was upheld when extensive
adjustments were performed. CONCLUSIONS: Our study suggests
that men with high consumption of soy milk are at reduced risk of
prostate cancer. Possible associations between soy bean products,
isoflavones and prostate cancer risk should be further investigated.
...'
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

lesley's weird beliefs:

"veganism"
"inner earth beings"
"hollow earth"
that goofy patent for a MANUFACTURED globe
helium-inflated number(s) for feed:beef
rain forest destruction
Brazil's exports (based on *Argentina's* trade)
Stolen French flying saucer
Zapper
Foot massage (as cure-all)
Astrology
Numerology
Alien abduction
bestiality
Leprechauns
Channeling
Polar fountains
Sun gazing
Chemtrails
AIDS and ebola conspiracy theory
Crop circles
sexually aroused by violent ex-convicts
participation in skinhead subculture
the validity of online IQ tests
crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories
Jeff Rense for "news"
long-debunked legends about "ageless wonders"


archived evidence of the above:
http://tinyurl.com/h0br
http://tinyurl.com/h0bl
http://tinyurl.com/v5p8
http://tinyurl.com/v5pf
http://tinyurl.com/mh5w
http://tinyurl.com/mh6h
http://tinyurl.com/mh6r
http://tinyurl.com/mh71
http://tinyurl.com/mh7a
http://tinyurl.com/mh7j
http://tinyurl.com/mh7p
http://tinyurl.com/v5jj
http://tinyurl.com/v5kd
http://tinyurl.com/v5l6
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5fj
http://tinyurl.com/v5fp
http://tinyurl.com/v5ft
http://tinyurl.com/v5ga
http://tinyurl.com/v5gc
http://tinyurl.com/v5i2
http://tinyurl.com/v5gk
http://tinyurl.com/v5h1
http://tinyurl.com/v5h9

On 2 Feb 2007 16:46:52 -0800, Goo wrote:

lesley's weird beliefs:

Let's look at one of yours Goob:
__________________________________________________ _______
From: Goo
Message-ID: . net

dh@. pointed out:

On 11 Apr 2005, a badly confused Goober wrote:

*I* don't want any consideration given to
the fact the animals are killed, and you know it.

You DO want us to consider their deaths

Right: because they are living beings, and humans are
rightly concerned about killing living things.
Considering their deaths doesn't necessarily mean we
shouldn't kill them, but giving them due consideration
is proper.

Giving ANY consideration to the morally meaningless
fact that they "get to experience life" is insane.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
Notice that you are not only incapable of giving consideration
to the lives of animals, but you also think you disagree with
yourself regarding whether or not people should consider
their deaths. Being insane yourself you do provide some
amusing though pitiful examples of idiocy and insanity, but
Goober that doesn't mean you're a reliable source for
recognising it in others (though in her case it does look like
you got it right :-).