What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?

There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like “if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?”

Let's think about this for a moment. We detect the sin of hypocrisy,
which for our species seems to be the ultimate sin. Eating animals and
yet asking not to be eaten ourselves on the grounds that we are sentient
animals strikes us as in some way a form of hypocrisy. It probably is.
So what? Is hypocrisy the ultimate sin recognized by all sentient
lifeforms everywhere? If if it then surely acting like hypocrites would
make us less attractive dinner table fare, wouldn't it? We would be less
likely to eat a “sinful” species that ate dung and its own young than
one that just ate grass, hung around in fields and went moo. Acting like
hypocrites would make us appear less tasty and nutritious. Acting like
hypocrites is probably a good survival strategy. Do we eat “wicked”
weasels, hyaenas, snakes and tapeworms in preference to “noble” animals
like deer and salmon?

Which species do we refuse to eat on moral grounds?

Do we avoid eating all peaceful herbivores? Hardly! In fact if we can
see any patterns at all here it is that the more animals an animal eats
the less likely it is we will want to eat it ourselves. The only
carnivorous species that we eat on a regular basis are fish, animals
that some people who call themselves vegetarians even try to redefine as
some sort of vegetable. I've news for you veggies, haddock are animals
that eat other animals, being cold bloodied, small-eyed and ugly doesn't
change anything, fish are not vegetables. If you eat fish you cannot be
a vegetarian.

We prefer to eat peaceful herbivores, we actively give preference to
those animals that eat a 100% pure vegetarian diet of grass. Why do we
assume that aliens will prefer to eat old, evil, bitter, twisted and
hypocritical animals like us rather than the nice innocent tender baa
lambs that we like to eat? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Why don't we eat carnivorous animals?

There is no reason why we don't eat carnivorous animals apart from the
fact that they are too expensive to farm economically. When dogs are
raised to be eaten they are not fed on meat, they are given the cheapest
food that will do the job, usually grain, vegetables and kitchen scraps,
just like pigs.

I read in a newspaper recently (or was it The Sun?) about a man who
regularly dines off roadkill. He made no distinction between herbivore
or carnivore and enjoyed stoats and weasels quite as much as squirrels
and badgers. His finest meal was roast labrador, which apparently tastes
just like lamb.

The only problem with eating carnivores is you have to avoid their
livers, which can contain dangerously high concentrations of vitamin A.
The higher an animal (and yes fish are animals) is up the food chain the
higher the concentration of poisons such as heavy metals the flesh may
contain. Certain chemicals such as DDT and PCBs also build up in bodies
and accumulate as you go up the food chain, the most effective way of
riding them from the body is to breastfeed...

If aliens did have a desire to eat people which people would they want
to eat?

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out. Or a fully
qualified butcher. The best cuts would come from young people raised on
a pure Vegan diet, especially if they could be certified as Organic.
Aliens would give preference to young hippie and Goth chicks raised on
beansprouts, lentils and tofu not McDonalds and KFC. Card-carrying
members of PETA would fetch a premium price.
If you really want to avoid being eaten by aliens the best thing you can
do to ensure they don't fancy the idea of eating you is to eat meat,
ideally the meat and offal of diseased, evil, old, poor and hypocritical
aliens. Or failing that, sausages.


Being a vegetarian is as effective a remedy against hungry aliens as is
being a conscientious objector in the face of hordes of Nazis.

What does this aliens eating hypocrites argument remind you of? God?
Yes, we seem to be very good at inventing fictional entities which can
make the evil ones among us feel bad if only we can get them to swallow
a line of bull.


Are aliens likely to be able to eat us?

There is a fair chance that we will actually be poisonous to aliens, and
they could be poisonous to us. Elements that are rare on our planet tend
to be poisonous to us, for example heavy metals such as lead, uranium,
arsenic, cadmium, mercury and so on. They are poisonous largely because
we have not evolved to cope with them. There is a reasonable chance that
to aliens we will contain unacceptably high levels of elements that they
are not able to cope with even if they find our alien proteins and fats
attractive. We may be protected by traces of selenium, copper, chromium
or zinc which could be absent from their biological systems and so be
poisonous to them. Likewise they may have a biological system that
requires an element that we cannot tolerate such as arsenic or lead as a
nutrient. Perhaps alien children are told to eat up their vegetables
because they contain lots of healthy cadmium (essential for healthy
tentacles) while they would look on a Whooper, Big Mac or indeed a
McHuman with Cheese as loaded with quite deadly levels of poisonous
calcium and zinc and enough sodium to kill the Bugblatter Beast of Traal.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

"Martin Willett" wrote in message
...
What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hardly, silly Earthling! We don't want to eat skinny, sickly looking veg*ns
when we arrive at your planet (soon). We're craving some nice, juicy,
overfed, fast-food indulging, burger-wolfing fat-butt humans after our long
intergalactic trip! You know, something we can really sink our alien fangs
into.....

There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like “if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?”


Well well, those vegetarian Earthlings are pretty smart aren't they, despite
their spindliness. Maybe their (obviously) oversized brains would be
deliciously satisfying, though...

-The Famished Alien




Let's think about this for a moment. We detect the sin of hypocrisy, which
for our species seems to be the ultimate sin. Eating animals and yet
asking not to be eaten ourselves on the grounds that we are sentient
animals strikes us as in some way a form of hypocrisy. It probably is. So
what? Is hypocrisy the ultimate sin recognized by all sentient lifeforms
everywhere? If if it then surely acting like hypocrites would make us less
attractive dinner table fare, wouldn't it? We would be less likely to eat
a “sinful” species that ate dung and its own young than one that just ate
grass, hung around in fields and went moo. Acting like hypocrites would
make us appear less tasty and nutritious. Acting like hypocrites is
probably a good survival strategy. Do we eat “wicked” weasels, hyaenas,
snakes and tapeworms in preference to “noble” animals like deer and
salmon?

Which species do we refuse to eat on moral grounds?

Do we avoid eating all peaceful herbivores? Hardly! In fact if we can see
any patterns at all here it is that the more animals an animal eats the
less likely it is we will want to eat it ourselves. The only carnivorous
species that we eat on a regular basis are fish, animals that some people
who call themselves vegetarians even try to redefine as some sort of
vegetable. I've news for you veggies, haddock are animals that eat other
animals, being cold bloodied, small-eyed and ugly doesn't change anything,
fish are not vegetables. If you eat fish you cannot be a vegetarian.

We prefer to eat peaceful herbivores, we actively give preference to those
animals that eat a 100% pure vegetarian diet of grass. Why do we assume
that aliens will prefer to eat old, evil, bitter, twisted and hypocritical
animals like us rather than the nice innocent tender baa lambs that we
like to eat? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Why don't we eat carnivorous animals?

There is no reason why we don't eat carnivorous animals apart from the
fact that they are too expensive to farm economically. When dogs are
raised to be eaten they are not fed on meat, they are given the cheapest
food that will do the job, usually grain, vegetables and kitchen scraps,
just like pigs.

I read in a newspaper recently (or was it The Sun?) about a man who
regularly dines off roadkill. He made no distinction between herbivore or
carnivore and enjoyed stoats and weasels quite as much as squirrels and
badgers. His finest meal was roast labrador, which apparently tastes just
like lamb.

The only problem with eating carnivores is you have to avoid their livers,
which can contain dangerously high concentrations of vitamin A. The higher
an animal (and yes fish are animals) is up the food chain the higher the
concentration of poisons such as heavy metals the flesh may contain.
Certain chemicals such as DDT and PCBs also build up in bodies and
accumulate as you go up the food chain, the most effective way of riding
them from the body is to breastfeed...

If aliens did have a desire to eat people which people would they want to
eat?

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out. Or a fully
qualified butcher. The best cuts would come from young people raised on a
pure Vegan diet, especially if they could be certified as Organic. Aliens
would give preference to young hippie and Goth chicks raised on
beansprouts, lentils and tofu not McDonalds and KFC. Card-carrying members
of PETA would fetch a premium price.
If you really want to avoid being eaten by aliens the best thing you can
do to ensure they don't fancy the idea of eating you is to eat meat,
ideally the meat and offal of diseased, evil, old, poor and hypocritical
aliens. Or failing that, sausages.

Being a vegetarian is as effective a remedy against hungry aliens as is
being a conscientious objector in the face of hordes of Nazis.

What does this aliens eating hypocrites argument remind you of? God? Yes,
we seem to be very good at inventing fictional entities which can make the
evil ones among us feel bad if only we can get them to swallow a line of
bull.


Are aliens likely to be able to eat us?

There is a fair chance that we will actually be poisonous to aliens, and
they could be poisonous to us. Elements that are rare on our planet tend
to be poisonous to us, for example heavy metals such as lead, uranium,
arsenic, cadmium, mercury and so on. They are poisonous largely because we
have not evolved to cope with them. There is a reasonable chance that to
aliens we will contain unacceptably high levels of elements that they are
not able to cope with even if they find our alien proteins and fats
attractive. We may be protected by traces of selenium, copper, chromium or
zinc which could be absent from their biological systems and so be
poisonous to them. Likewise they may have a biological system that
requires an element that we cannot tolerate such as arsenic or lead as a
nutrient. Perhaps alien children are told to eat up their vegetables
because they contain lots of healthy cadmium (essential for healthy
tentacles) while they would look on a Whooper, Big Mac or indeed a McHuman
with Cheese as loaded with quite deadly levels of poisonous calcium and
zinc and enough sodium to kill the Bugblatter Beast of Traal.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Try better bait you fat trolling git.

1. Never tell everything at once.
Ken Venturi, Ken Venturi's Two Great Rules of Life

Michael Rippie wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 11:46:58 +0000, Martin Willett
wrote:

What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

Don't go to lunch with them.

Lame, even by your low standards Rippie. You are really not winning this
battle of wits are you?
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Famished Alien wrote:
"Martin Willett" wrote in message
...
What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hardly, silly Earthling! We don't want to eat skinny, sickly looking veg*ns
when we arrive at your planet (soon). We're craving some nice, juicy,
overfed, fast-food indulging, burger-wolfing fat-butt humans after our long
intergalactic trip! You know, something we can really sink our alien fangs
into.....

How likely is it that aliens would be hungry? If they were smart enough
to get here don't you think they would be smart enough to take a packed
lunch?


There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like “if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?”


Well well, those vegetarian Earthlings are pretty smart aren't they, despite
their spindliness. Maybe their (obviously) oversized brains would be
deliciously satisfying, though...

-The Famished Alien



Why assume that aliens would want to eat anything from the top of the
food chain? Do we go and eat eagles and lions? If they were really
famished I'm sure a couple of herds of wildebeest in between a couple of
bakeries would go down a treat.

http://mwillett.org/mind/eat-me.htm
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Martin Willett wrote:
What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?

There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like "if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?"

Let's think about this for a moment. We detect the sin of hypocrisy,
which for our species seems to be the ultimate sin. Eating animals and
yet asking not to be eaten ourselves on the grounds that we are sentient
animals strikes us as in some way a form of hypocrisy. It probably is.
So what? Is hypocrisy the ultimate sin recognized by all sentient
lifeforms everywhere? If if it then surely acting like hypocrites would
make us less attractive dinner table fare, wouldn't it? We would be less
likely to eat a "sinful" species that ate dung and its own young than
one that just ate grass, hung around in fields and went moo. Acting like
hypocrites would make us appear less tasty and nutritious. Acting like
hypocrites is probably a good survival strategy. Do we eat "wicked"
weasels, hyaenas, snakes and tapeworms in preference to "noble" animals
like deer and salmon?

Which species do we refuse to eat on moral grounds?

Do we avoid eating all peaceful herbivores? Hardly! In fact if we can
see any patterns at all here it is that the more animals an animal eats
the less likely it is we will want to eat it ourselves. The only
carnivorous species that we eat on a regular basis are fish, animals
that some people who call themselves vegetarians even try to redefine as
some sort of vegetable. I've news for you veggies, haddock are animals
that eat other animals, being cold bloodied, small-eyed and ugly doesn't
change anything, fish are not vegetables. If you eat fish you cannot be
a vegetarian.

We prefer to eat peaceful herbivores, we actively give preference to
those animals that eat a 100% pure vegetarian diet of grass. Why do we
assume that aliens will prefer to eat old, evil, bitter, twisted and
hypocritical animals like us rather than the nice innocent tender baa
lambs that we like to eat? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Why don't we eat carnivorous animals?

There is no reason why we don't eat carnivorous animals apart from the
fact that they are too expensive to farm economically. When dogs are
raised to be eaten they are not fed on meat, they are given the cheapest
food that will do the job, usually grain, vegetables and kitchen scraps,
just like pigs.

I read in a newspaper recently (or was it The Sun?) about a man who
regularly dines off roadkill. He made no distinction between herbivore
or carnivore and enjoyed stoats and weasels quite as much as squirrels
and badgers. His finest meal was roast labrador, which apparently tastes
just like lamb.

The only problem with eating carnivores is you have to avoid their
livers, which can contain dangerously high concentrations of vitamin A.
The higher an animal (and yes fish are animals) is up the food chain the
higher the concentration of poisons such as heavy metals the flesh may
contain. Certain chemicals such as DDT and PCBs also build up in bodies
and accumulate as you go up the food chain, the most effective way of
riding them from the body is to breastfeed...

If aliens did have a desire to eat people which people would they want
to eat?

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out. Or a fully
qualified butcher. The best cuts would come from young people raised on
a pure Vegan diet, especially if they could be certified as Organic.
Aliens would give preference to young hippie and Goth chicks raised on
beansprouts, lentils and tofu not McDonalds and KFC. Card-carrying
members of PETA would fetch a premium price.
If you really want to avoid being eaten by aliens the best thing you can
do to ensure they don't fancy the idea of eating you is to eat meat,
ideally the meat and offal of diseased, evil, old, poor and hypocritical
aliens. Or failing that, sausages.


Being a vegetarian is as effective a remedy against hungry aliens as is
being a conscientious objector in the face of hordes of Nazis.

What does this aliens eating hypocrites argument remind you of? God?
Yes, we seem to be very good at inventing fictional entities which can
make the evil ones among us feel bad if only we can get them to swallow
a line of bull.


Are aliens likely to be able to eat us?

There is a fair chance that we will actually be poisonous to aliens, and
they could be poisonous to us. Elements that are rare on our planet tend
to be poisonous to us, for example heavy metals such as lead, uranium,
arsenic, cadmium, mercury and so on. They are poisonous largely because
we have not evolved to cope with them. There is a reasonable chance that
to aliens we will contain unacceptably high levels of elements that they
are not able to cope with even if they find our alien proteins and fats
attractive. We may be protected by traces of selenium, copper, chromium
or zinc which could be absent from their biological systems and so be
poisonous to them. Likewise they may have a biological system that
requires an element that we cannot tolerate such as arsenic or lead as a
nutrient. Perhaps alien children are told to eat up their vegetables
because they contain lots of healthy cadmium (essential for healthy
tentacles) while they would look on a Whooper, Big Mac or indeed a
McHuman with Cheese as loaded with quite deadly levels of poisonous
calcium and zinc and enough sodium to kill the Bugblatter Beast of Traal.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

We don't even have to go into the realm of the absurd aliens to
investigate this concept.

India is known for famous man-eating lions and tigers. Alligators in
Florida. Crocodiles in South East Asia, Africa and Australia. Dingos in
Australia and hyenas in Africa. Buzzards and vultures throuhout the
world are known for eating dead human carcasses. Then there are bugs,
worms, rats, bacteria, etc that feeds on humans alive and dead.

And like humans eating other animals, there is no ethical or moral
component involved. It is what it is, survival and thriving in ones
environment.

TC

wrote:
Martin Willett wrote:
What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?

There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like "if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?"

Let's think about this for a moment. We detect the sin of hypocrisy,
which for our species seems to be the ultimate sin. Eating animals and
yet asking not to be eaten ourselves on the grounds that we are sentient
animals strikes us as in some way a form of hypocrisy. It probably is.
So what? Is hypocrisy the ultimate sin recognized by all sentient
lifeforms everywhere? If if it then surely acting like hypocrites would
make us less attractive dinner table fare, wouldn't it? We would be less
likely to eat a "sinful" species that ate dung and its own young than
one that just ate grass, hung around in fields and went moo. Acting like
hypocrites would make us appear less tasty and nutritious. Acting like
hypocrites is probably a good survival strategy. Do we eat "wicked"
weasels, hyaenas, snakes and tapeworms in preference to "noble" animals
like deer and salmon?

Which species do we refuse to eat on moral grounds?

Do we avoid eating all peaceful herbivores? Hardly! In fact if we can
see any patterns at all here it is that the more animals an animal eats
the less likely it is we will want to eat it ourselves. The only
carnivorous species that we eat on a regular basis are fish, animals
that some people who call themselves vegetarians even try to redefine as
some sort of vegetable. I've news for you veggies, haddock are animals
that eat other animals, being cold bloodied, small-eyed and ugly doesn't
change anything, fish are not vegetables. If you eat fish you cannot be
a vegetarian.

We prefer to eat peaceful herbivores, we actively give preference to
those animals that eat a 100% pure vegetarian diet of grass. Why do we
assume that aliens will prefer to eat old, evil, bitter, twisted and
hypocritical animals like us rather than the nice innocent tender baa
lambs that we like to eat? It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Why don't we eat carnivorous animals?

There is no reason why we don't eat carnivorous animals apart from the
fact that they are too expensive to farm economically. When dogs are
raised to be eaten they are not fed on meat, they are given the cheapest
food that will do the job, usually grain, vegetables and kitchen scraps,
just like pigs.

I read in a newspaper recently (or was it The Sun?) about a man who
regularly dines off roadkill. He made no distinction between herbivore
or carnivore and enjoyed stoats and weasels quite as much as squirrels
and badgers. His finest meal was roast labrador, which apparently tastes
just like lamb.

The only problem with eating carnivores is you have to avoid their
livers, which can contain dangerously high concentrations of vitamin A.
The higher an animal (and yes fish are animals) is up the food chain the
higher the concentration of poisons such as heavy metals the flesh may
contain. Certain chemicals such as DDT and PCBs also build up in bodies
and accumulate as you go up the food chain, the most effective way of
riding them from the body is to breastfeed...

If aliens did have a desire to eat people which people would they want
to eat?

It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to work it out. Or a fully
qualified butcher. The best cuts would come from young people raised on
a pure Vegan diet, especially if they could be certified as Organic.
Aliens would give preference to young hippie and Goth chicks raised on
beansprouts, lentils and tofu not McDonalds and KFC. Card-carrying
members of PETA would fetch a premium price.
If you really want to avoid being eaten by aliens the best thing you can
do to ensure they don't fancy the idea of eating you is to eat meat,
ideally the meat and offal of diseased, evil, old, poor and hypocritical
aliens. Or failing that, sausages.


Being a vegetarian is as effective a remedy against hungry aliens as is
being a conscientious objector in the face of hordes of Nazis.

What does this aliens eating hypocrites argument remind you of? God?
Yes, we seem to be very good at inventing fictional entities which can
make the evil ones among us feel bad if only we can get them to swallow
a line of bull.


Are aliens likely to be able to eat us?

There is a fair chance that we will actually be poisonous to aliens, and
they could be poisonous to us. Elements that are rare on our planet tend
to be poisonous to us, for example heavy metals such as lead, uranium,
arsenic, cadmium, mercury and so on. They are poisonous largely because
we have not evolved to cope with them. There is a reasonable chance that
to aliens we will contain unacceptably high levels of elements that they
are not able to cope with even if they find our alien proteins and fats
attractive. We may be protected by traces of selenium, copper, chromium
or zinc which could be absent from their biological systems and so be
poisonous to them. Likewise they may have a biological system that
requires an element that we cannot tolerate such as arsenic or lead as a
nutrient. Perhaps alien children are told to eat up their vegetables
because they contain lots of healthy cadmium (essential for healthy
tentacles) while they would look on a Whooper, Big Mac or indeed a
McHuman with Cheese as loaded with quite deadly levels of poisonous
calcium and zinc and enough sodium to kill the Bugblatter Beast of Traal.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

We don't even have to go into the realm of the absurd aliens to
investigate this concept.

India is known for famous man-eating lions and tigers. Alligators in
Florida. Crocodiles in South East Asia, Africa and Australia. Dingos in
Australia and hyenas in Africa. Buzzards and vultures throuhout the
world are known for eating dead human carcasses. Then there are bugs,
worms, rats, bacteria, etc that feeds on humans alive and dead.

And like humans eating other animals, there is no ethical or moral
component involved. It is what it is, survival and thriving in ones
environment.

TC


Quite. The whole moral issue is wrongly framed in so many ways. We can
make a moral social contract with each other not to eat each other but
we can't with animals. If we decide not to eat animals it is a one way
deal. We don't eat them, they don't know we won't eat them. They won't
love us for it, they will be oblivious. And other animals that want to
eat us will not care and if anything they will prefer eating vegetarians
to carnivores.

That dog don't hunt. But the veg*ns will keep trotting it out every few
weeks as if it was valid.
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

wrote:
Martin Willett wrote:
snip

--

Martin (fatty) Willett


http://mfattywillett.org/

We don't even have to go into the realm of the absurd aliens to
investigate this concept.

True.


India is known for famous man-eating lions and tigers. Alligators in
Florida. Crocodiles in South East Asia, Africa and Australia. Dingos in
Australia and hyenas in Africa. Buzzards and vultures throuhout the
world are known for eating dead human carcasses. Then there are bugs,
worms, rats, bacteria, etc that feeds on humans alive and dead.

And like humans eating other animals, there is no ethical or moral
component involved. It is what it is, survival and thriving in ones
environment.

TC


Most humans do have the ability to analyse and examine their values, and
theories of conduct in order to see if a particular behavior is right or
wrong. - This can clearly be applied to the human meat eating behavior,
and therefore denial of a moral or ethical component to human meat
consumption is fallacious.

I guess it's your method of avoiding a discussion of your morals. -
Perhaps in case it exposes your weaknesses.

Does being fat mean a person is not entitled to be treated as a human
being with a right to opinions?

Is there another group of people you feel free to gratuitously insult?

Would you consider it humorous to add "darkie" or "gay boy" to
somebody's name?
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Martin Willett wrote:
Does being fat mean a person is not entitled to be treated as a human
being with a right to opinions?

Is there another group of people you feel free to gratuitously insult?

Would you consider it humorous to add "darkie" or "gay boy" to
somebody's name?


Just playing you at your own game fatty.


--

Martin fatty Willett


http://mfattywillett.org/

Jean Clingfilm wrote:
Martin Willett wrote:
Does being fat mean a person is not entitled to be treated as a human
being with a right to opinions?

Is there another group of people you feel free to gratuitously insult?

Would you consider it humorous to add "darkie" or "gay boy" to
somebody's name?


Just playing you at your own game fatty.


What do you mean by that? Have I gratuitously insulted you?
--

Martin Willett


http://mwillett.org/

Jean Clingfilm wrote:
wrote:
Martin Willett wrote:
snip

--

Martin (fatty) Willett


http://mfattywillett.org/

We don't even have to go into the realm of the absurd aliens to
investigate this concept.

True.


India is known for famous man-eating lions and tigers. Alligators in
Florida. Crocodiles in South East Asia, Africa and Australia. Dingos in
Australia and hyenas in Africa. Buzzards and vultures throuhout the
world are known for eating dead human carcasses. Then there are bugs,
worms, rats, bacteria, etc that feeds on humans alive and dead.

And like humans eating other animals, there is no ethical or moral
component involved. It is what it is, survival and thriving in ones
environment.

TC


Most humans do have the ability to analyse and examine their values, and
theories of conduct in order to see if a particular behavior is right or
wrong. - This can clearly be applied to the human meat eating behavior,
and therefore denial of a moral or ethical component to human meat
consumption is fallacious.

I guess it's your method of avoiding a discussion of your morals. -
Perhaps in case it exposes your weaknesses.

Nonsense. There is no denial of a moral or ethical component to my
eating meat. It is who we are and what we do, which is perfectly in
line with other mammalian survival behavior. And that precludes
anyones, ie. you and the animal rights extremists, attempt to apply
these misdirected concepts of morality and ethics to the question.

The denial is in those who refuse to accept the reality that we live
in, which is that humans are primarily carnivorous omnivores. We eat
other animals. That is who we are and what we do. We do not do it with
malicious intent. Nor do we do it with immoral or unethical intent.

And the vast majority of us meat eaters are as concerned as you that
the animals we eat be as healthy and well raised as possible. And we
object to producers who abuse animals anywhere in the process of
raising them. We care about the welfare of animals. We just care in a
much more reasonable and realistic fashion.

Our morals or ethics are not compromised by harvesting and eating meat.
Any more than are those of other animals who do the same.

But they are compromised when we lie to people and tell them that an
unhealthy diet (veganism) is healthy in order to convince them to eat
that unhealthy diet in the name of animal rights and a severely skewed
sense of moral outrage.

TC

"Jean Clingfilm" wrote

Most humans do have the ability to analyse and examine their values, and
theories of conduct in order to see if a particular behavior is right or
wrong.

Most humans have this ability, but not all know how to apply it. It has been
a human tribal trait for thousands of years to place moral significance on
some ritual or belief and then lay negative attributes on others who do not
share the ritual or belief. The history of the middle-ages gives bloody
testament, it was called The Inquisition.

- This can clearly be applied to the human meat eating behavior,

Yes it can, the analytical method can be applied, and the syndrome I
described also can.

and therefore denial of a moral or ethical component to human meat
consumption is fallacious.

It's not fallacious to deny there is a moral or ethical component to
anything.

I guess it's your method of avoiding a discussion of your morals. -
Perhaps in case it exposes your weaknesses.

Perhaps inferring moral weakness in others is something from which you
derive a feeling of satisfaction.

Perhaps you would be willing to explain how eating meat, which is lifeless,
can possibly have a moral component.

Perhaps you mean *killing* an animal (in order to eat it's meat) is what has
a moral component.

If so, why do you not equally attack all forms of agriculture and other
processes which involve the systematic killing of animals? Why would you
single out only that killing which results in humans obtaining meat? To say
it another way, why is it wrong to kill a cow for food, but not wrong to
kill the mice which threaten the food supply?

The mother of compassion has fostered a stillborn child.

"Martin Willett" wrote in message
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Famished Alien wrote:
"Martin Willett" wrote in message
...
What can we do to stop aliens from eating us?

How about swearing off from eating meat?
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Hardly, silly Earthling! We don't want to eat skinny, sickly looking
veg*ns when we arrive at your planet (soon). We're craving some nice,
juicy, overfed, fast-food indulging, burger-wolfing fat-butt humans after
our long intergalactic trip! You know, something we can really sink our
alien fangs into.....

How likely is it that aliens would be hungry? If they were smart enough to
get here don't you think they would be smart enough to take a packed
lunch?
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Of course we're that smart, goofy Earthling! We have been consuming our
(boring) "packed lunches" on our journey to your planet, but now that we're
nearly there we have stopped eating them to let our appetites build up in
anticipation of our upcoming Earthling feasts, so we can really enjoy them!
So yeah, we're really craving some nice, fresh, juicy, overfed
burger-wolfing fat-butt humans to chow down on right about now... Yum! So
do you eat lots of burgers, Earthling Martin? (My numerous mouths are
watering in anticipation, and my fangs are all well sharpened...)

There seems to be a common bit of vegetarian propaganda that goes
something like “if you eat animals how can you expect intelligent aliens
not to eat you?”
Well well, those vegetarian Earthlings are pretty smart aren't they,
despite their spindliness. Maybe their (obviously) oversized brains
would be deliciously satisfying, though...

Why assume that aliens would want to eat anything from the top of the food
chain? Do we go and eat eagles and lions?

Some of you Earthlings eat meat fed "KittyBeef"! See here how delicious
looking:

http://www.kittybeef.com/history.php

So we prefer "HumanBeef". You got a problem with that, Earthling?

If they were really famished I'm sure a couple of herds of wildebeest in
between a couple of bakeries would go down a treat.

You can't escape your (inevitable) fate that easily, Earthling. We'll use
those for appetizers, before the main course of nice, fat, freshly caught
burger-fed human. We expect that your species will quickly become a widely
appreciated delicacy after we get the word out. Many aliens will soon be
stopping by your planet regularly when passing through your corner of the
galaxy, to lunch and munch on juicy, delicious, burger-fed humans. There
are many, many of you freely available on your planet, enough for countless
alien feasts for a good long time to come, and we won't let any of you go to
waste, for sure. I'm sure you'll find it all very.... exciting!

-The Famished Alien

wrote:
Jean Clingfilm wrote:
wrote:
Martin Willett wrote:
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Martin (fatty) Willett


http://mfattywillett.org/
We don't even have to go into the realm of the absurd aliens to
investigate this concept.
True.

India is known for famous man-eating lions and tigers. Alligators in
Florida. Crocodiles in South East Asia, Africa and Australia. Dingos in
Australia and hyenas in Africa. Buzzards and vultures throuhout the
world are known for eating dead human carcasses. Then there are bugs,
worms, rats, bacteria, etc that feeds on humans alive and dead.

And like humans eating other animals, there is no ethical or moral
component involved. It is what it is, survival and thriving in ones
environment.

TC

Most humans do have the ability to analyse and examine their values, and
theories of conduct in order to see if a particular behavior is right or
wrong. - This can clearly be applied to the human meat eating behavior,
and therefore denial of a moral or ethical component to human meat
consumption is fallacious.

I guess it's your method of avoiding a discussion of your morals. -
Perhaps in case it exposes your weaknesses.

Nonsense. There is no denial of a moral or ethical component to my
eating meat.

Please explain why you wrote "And like humans eating other animals,
*there is no ethical or moral component* involved" and now you write
"There is no denial of a moral or ethical component".

It is who we are and what we do, which is perfectly in
line with other mammalian survival behavior.

Do you have to eat meat to survive?

And that precludes
anyones, ie. you and the animal rights extremists, attempt to apply
these misdirected concepts of morality and ethics to the question.

Why have you grouped me with "animal rights extremists"?


The denial is in those who refuse to accept the reality that we live
in, which is that humans are primarily carnivorous omnivores. We eat
other animals. That is who we are and what we do. We do not do it with
malicious intent. Nor do we do it with immoral or unethical intent.

It is ethical to you. (If you believe there is an ethical or moral
component).


And the vast majority of us meat eaters are as concerned as you that
the animals we eat be as healthy and well raised as possible.

I'd like to see the evidence for that assertion. I would hazard a guess
that most people buy meat based on price, availability and aesthetics.

And we
object to producers who abuse animals anywhere in the process of
raising them. We care about the welfare of animals. We just care in a
much more reasonable and realistic fashion.

This sounds like an ethical or moral component.


Our morals or ethics are not compromised by harvesting and eating meat.
Any more than are those of other animals who do the same.

I'm sure you have a choice of what to eat, animals do not.


But they are compromised when we lie to people and tell them that an
unhealthy diet (veganism) is healthy in order to convince them to eat
that unhealthy diet in the name of animal rights and a severely skewed
sense of moral outrage.

Any 'type' of diet can be unhealthy. There are many other reasons to
adopt a vegetarian or vegan diet than 'animal rights'.

Who's lying?

Why is a diet without meat unhealthy?

What is and who has a "severely skewed sense of moral outrage"?



TC