All,

I just found an interesting extension for all of you Unicode fans out
there who post chinese characters. There is an extension for Mozilla
Thunderbird called "Mnenhy" that allows encoding and decoding of text
between various formats. One can control what is converted by
highlighting the selection.

For example, if I see 茶, I can determine its unicode value by
highlighting it and selecting "Encode-Decimal" and it is replaced with
33590, the unicode value for 茶 (cha).

I'm sure there are other ways to do this but I found this and thought
some folks here might find it helpful.

I also found:

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/c...wwwjdic.cgi?1C

which looks like it might be quite helpful for the person trying to find
Japanese translations. It seems to also translate some Chinese although
maybe the languages have similarities in their noun-space. For example,
I found pu-erh tea in there. It translated it as 普アル茶. This is
close to what Mike has on his website (普洱茶), although it seems to
substitute the middle character for two characters.

--
Steven Hay
moc.liamg at evets.yah

There are more web pages in the native language sets than Unicode.
I've developed routines that convert from the two major Chinese native
language sets GB2312 Simplified BIG5 Traditional and the two Japanese
language sets JISX208 SHIFT_JIS to Unicode. I use Unicode.Org to see
the glyph and the Unicode character for Google searches. I did some
previous posts on the process. In summary download the Unicode CJK
table from Unicode.Org. Use the Simplified and Traditional language
pairs to do a lookup for the Unicode. The JISX208 Japanese code stored
on Unicode is the KUTEN value. You need to convert from JISX208 and
SHIFT_JS to KUTEN. All 32 bit MS OSes are Unicode compliant except for
95,98,Me which are 16 bit. It takes 4 bytes to store a UTF-8 and
UTF-16 value.

Jim

PS: I'll let Kuri explain the two 'Japanese' characters for Pinyin ER.
In this case PU and CHA are intact. Curious Unicode doesn't show any
KUTEN value for the two 'Japanese' characters.

Steve Hay wrote:
All,

I just found an interesting extension for all of you Unicode fans out
there who post chinese characters. There is an extension for Mozilla
Thunderbird called "Mnenhy" that allows encoding and decoding of text
between various formats. One can control what is converted by
highlighting the selection.

For example, if I see 茶, I can determine its unicode value by
highlighting it and selecting "Encode-Decimal" and it is replaced with
33590, the unicode value for 茶 (cha).

I'm sure there are other ways to do this but I found this and thought
some folks here might find it helpful.

I also found:

http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/c...wwwjdic.cgi?1C

which looks like it might be quite helpful for the person trying to find
Japanese translations. It seems to also translate some Chinese although
maybe the languages have similarities in their noun-space. For example,
I found pu-erh tea in there. It translated it as 普アル茶. This is
close to what Mike has on his website (普洱茶), although it seems to
substitute the middle character for two characters.

--
Steven Hay
moc.liamg at evets.yah

The other thing I noticed is the Chinese character for ER3 only exists
in JIS212 fontset. I don't know what would happen if you pasted in a
typical JIS208 IME. Probably as you described. You will get some hits
on Japanese webpages for Puer with the Unicode string that Steve
provided. However probably due to same paste problem you described.
I also understand why Unicode.Org didn't provide any information for
the two Unicode characters but defaulted to erroneous Japanese Unicode
strings from the Japanese WWW Edict server which provided Steve's
string in the first place. I tried I don't know how he came up with
the string in the first place. In other words you can't plug the two
characters back into EDICT and find a definition for either.

Jim

kuri wrote:
"Steve Hay" wrote in message

For example,
I found pu-erh tea in there. It translated it as 普アル茶.

No, it isn't a translation. There word was transformed when it was pasted
into a Japanese program.

"アル" (aru) is the reading of 2nd character written in katakana (Japanese
phonetic reading）.
The problem is most Japanese programs don't display systematically the æ´±
character because they don't have the fonts. If you insist to write 普洱茶,
the Japanese computer that don't get fonts for the 2nd character will
transform it. Here it was transformed into its*reading* (it could have been
cut into 2 characters, replaced by something unrelated, not displayed... ).

Usually to avoid display problem, they write "puer" in phonetics : ﾌﾟｱｰﾙ茶
or　プアル茶 or プーアール茶, and even "puer cha" completely in phonetics
:. プーアール�ャ. On packages in Japan, they write the Chinese characters
+ Japanese reading.

Kuri

"Steve Hay" wrote in message

For example,
I found pu-erh tea in there. It translated it as 普アル茶.

No, it isn't a translation. There word was transformed when it was pasted
into a Japanese program.

"アル" (aru) is the reading of 2nd character written in katakana (Japanese
phonetic reading）.
The problem is most Japanese programs don't display systematically the æ´±
character because they don't have the fonts. If you insist to write 普洱茶,
the Japanese computer that don't get fonts for the 2nd character will
transform it. Here it was transformed into its*reading* (it could have been
cut into 2 characters, replaced by something unrelated, not displayed... ).

Usually to avoid display problem, they write "puer" in phonetics : ﾌﾟｱｰﾙ茶
or　プアル茶 or プーアール茶, and even "puer cha" completely in phonetics
:. プーアール�ャ. On packages in Japan, they write the Chinese characters
+ Japanese reading.

Kuri