For those who speak Chinese or who can tell me...both of these are sort of
roughly translated as "white" or "downy"...can someone tell me the
sublteties or the differences if any?

And I've been really wanting to ask this: What does "Mao Tse-Tung" translate
as? Just very curious.

Melinda


--
"I know. You know I know. I know you know I know. We know Henry knows,
and Henry knows we know it."

We're a knowledgeable family." ::smiles:: -Geoffrey, Lion in Winter

Bai is white (the character ri, which means sun is identical to bai
except for a dot on top if it), and Mao is hair. As far as individual
characters go, there aren't really many subtleties. When they are
among different characters, there can be much more information and
meaning. The more complex characters can have other characters added
together to mean something relating to those characters. For example,
the character for wood is Mu...two Mu will give you Lin which means
small forest...three Mu, sen, means big forest.

"Mao Tse-Tung" (Mao Zi Dong). Mao is the family name (same character
that also means hair). Zi is actually a little complex in that it
literally means a place with much water and plants; swamp. A portion
of the character 'jiang' can be seen in the character that means water,
and one of the other parts means plants (not totally sure about the
plants part...still learning!). Dong simply means east.

So we have: Hair, Swamp, East. Meaning...I don't know....perhaps only
his father knows.

It's confusing. heh.

"Dog Ma 1" (reply w/o spam) writes:

I don't give a
rat's ass for your educational background.

If you can't repute me on actual points, you can cover up with
profanity, again.

Actually, from Michael it's not profanity but a high standard of
comparison. A loose translation might be "I respect what you say,
but not quite so much as an esteemed mammal's hindquarters." He's
notoriously fond of small rodents, and apparently indiscriminate as
to body parts.

Anyone else see a need for a rec.food.drink.tea.best-of?

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Michael that's not the same thing as his Bamboo Fragrence puer is it? Have
you tried the Bamboo Fragrence and if so, what did you think?

Melinda


This Dai Bamboo Pu'erh 1996 is very interesting. It is moving toward that
soft wood/camphor thing with a touch of sweetness in place of its earlier
floral thing. Also, the liquor has darkened over the past many months to
an
amber in place of that pale yellow of a truly young Pu'erh. I'm enjoying
the
difference between what I'm drinking today and what I drank of it a year
and
a half ago. Cool.

"Melinda" writes:

This Dai Bamboo Pu'erh 1996 is very interesting. It is moving
toward that soft wood/camphor thing with a touch of sweetness in
place of its earlier floral thing. Also, the liquor has darkened
over the past many months to an amber in place of that pale yellow
of a truly young Pu'erh. I'm enjoying the difference between what
I'm drinking today and what I drank of it a year and a half
ago. Cool.

Michael that's not the same thing as his Bamboo Fragrence puer is
it?

I'm not Michael, but I know that the answer is No.

Have you tried the Bamboo Fragrence and if so, what did you think?

Still not Michael, I like it a lot. I'm getting near the end of a
batch I've been drinking sporadically for a couple of years, and I'll
miss it. It's mellow, mildly smoky, and good for lots of steeps.

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

"Melinda" writes:
[...Bamboo Fragrance Puerh: cane or basket?...]
I'm not Lew but the Bamboo Fragrence that I got from David
Hoffman is in a bamboo cane as you describe. Whether it's "much less
interesting" was what I was hoping to hear opinions on.

Well, I always thought there might be a reason to save old tea
invoices. Says here that on August 6, 2003 Silk Road Teas sent me
"P-BFP-1 Bamboo Fragrance Pu-erh, 500 gram (1.1 lb) packed in basket".

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

I just ordered some 500g wild tree loose green pu wrapped in bamboo
leaf to form a tube. The seller didn't mention Fragrance but the
texture looked like large slimey moist leaf from the picture. I've
seen a similar presentation on TaoBao so more curiosity than taste.

Jim

Lewis Perin wrote:
"Melinda" writes:
[...Bamboo Fragrance Puerh: cane or basket?...]
I'm not Lew but the Bamboo Fragrence that I got from David
Hoffman is in a bamboo cane as you describe. Whether it's "much
less
interesting" was what I was hoping to hear opinions on.

Well, I always thought there might be a reason to save old tea
invoices. Says here that on August 6, 2003 Silk Road Teas sent me
"P-BFP-1 Bamboo Fragrance Pu-erh, 500 gram (1.1 lb) packed in
basket".

/Lew
---
Lew Perin /
http://www.panix.com/~perin/babelcarp.html

Melinda wrote:
I'll be darn...well I guess I just dunno then. I wish I had 500 grams
of it,


Melinda

Melinda, you might try:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&rd=1&tc=photo

This is a "Bamboo Fragrance" type puerh similar to the others being
mentioned. It is loosely packed in bamboo leaf rather than tighly
compressed in a cane. Scott Wilson is a new player on Ebay but he
offers a nice selection of puerh.

I also recommend the Xishuangbana 50th aniversary bricks as being quite
good.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...&rd=1&tc=photo

Mike
http://www.pu-erh.net

Oh Rebecca

That comment was from Mydnight, who you think hasnot reacted badly, please
quote and snip appropriately.

I had never attacked him, I attacked his concept of believing that what he
think he knows is probably the correct one simply because he is in China -
reread his outburst on that one and tell me if there's another angle to it.
When it is pointed out to him that his interpretation may not be correct
because he hasn't interpret things in light of their contextual background,
he simplify the issue and made a sweeping comment that each person will have
his or her own interpretation.

Perhaps. Then let us consider Mydnight's interpretation once mo 'Zhe'
as in swamp, 'Dong' as in East, likely then, a person who grows up in the
eastern swamp - this is my paraphrase, but I don't think it is far from the
original.

Mao Zhe Dong, as I have mentioned, was the third son whose previous 2
siblings did not survive infancy. But he had two younger brothers, the
elder was named Zhe Min, 'Min' as in people. If you follow Mydnight's
interpretation, then Zhe Min should read as 'People of the swamp'. Duh?
Who would name a person singular as persons plural? In the same context,
you would think that Jiang Zhe Min, is also "people of the swamp"?

We understand your admiration of the Mydnigt's vim, but we are not talking
about his enthusiam here, we are discussing his errors in interpretation.

Danny

"Rebecca Ore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"samarkand" wrote:

"These cracks about Westerners never understanding, does
not fully apply to me, and it's quite presumptious to assume."

I was in an audience at Columbia University where a scholar reported on
his studies on cross-cultural human emotions and how people would create
the same shapes cross-culturally when asked to move their fingers to
indicate an emotion. This bothered one of the New Left "cultures are
unique" people in the audience.

I tend to disbelieve the idea that "nobody outside our culture would
understand us" -- and a lot of things that people in the culture don't
notice are fairly instantly obvious to people coming in from the outside.

Whether we're inside a culture or outside, we'll be oblivious to some
aspects of the culture that are obvious to others, insiders or outsiders.

I didn't see Mydnight reacting badly; I saw other people attacking him
on terms that seemed to be supporting some idea of the Mysterious East
that only they knew about (and since one of those people was a
bullshitter by his own admission), I didn't like what I was seeing.

Women know these dynamics better than men g.

Heh though, this chinese is urging you not to believe your 50 year old
chinese teacher and get some books to read if you really wish to know.

& seriously, age is not an indication of sagacity and knowledge; 25, 50 or
75, if he is selling you the wrong knowledge, he is selling you the wrong
knowledge.

Danny

"Mydnight" wrote in message
oups.com...
I know, I should have done it long ago; Sasha gave me this advice too.

He's Chinese, yes. I still believe my Chinese teacher more, though.
heh.

I heard bamboo charcoal kicks up the ion charges in the water which makes it
tastier, but no, I haven't tried that yet.

Pu'er ages optimally in an area with a humidity of between 60-70%. The
charcoal in addition of absorbing excess humidity, also absorbs foregin
odour.

Danny

"kuri" wrote in message
...

"samarkand" wrote in message

The answer is yes if you
keep it well. Place the tea in a new earthern jar, and get some clean
bamboo charcoal from the local supermarket, or wood ones if you can't
find
the former. Wrap a few pieces in a cheesecloth and place it in the jar
with
the tea. Cover the jar but not tightly, and place the jar in a cool
place
above ground, as it can get humid on that level.

Thank you for the informations.
Your are using the charcoal to reduce humidity or for other purposes ? Is
it
good for it to be humid or not ?

BTW, does anybody here uses bamboo charcoal in their kettle ?

Kuri

Dude,

I do accept that there are millions out there who know more about China than
I do. What I'm saying is that don't believe what you are taught until you
can verify for yourself the truth.

He is a post grad teacher, but that doesn't make him any wiser when it comes
to areas which he might not be familiar with. He was in the cultural
revolution and probably has read the Red Book of Mao, but there are lots of
untold facts being unearthed now about Mao, does he know them all then?

It is up to you to find out the truth really. I believe in what I know as
facts, can you be certain what you are taught by him as facts too? If you
can't be 100% certain, then I'll repeat myself - go and find out. The
decision is yours, believe him and be fooled - in my opinion you are - or
find out the truth for yourself.

Danny

"Mydnight" wrote in message
ups.com...
Dude, he's Chinese and a post grad teacher...asking him to Google about
the most revered person in the country is rather stupid, considering he
was alive during the time of the Cultural Revolution. He is a teacher
of Chinese language and history...

You're just going to have to accept that there are other people on the
planet that know more about China than you do.

"samarkand" wrote:

ps. Hey, I'm observing from the ground too Rebecca, as you have said
Mydnight does, do I get some praise too? Puuurty pleeese? :")

"Rebecca Ore" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Yeah, but be careful to stay away from people who confuse China with
Japan or claim to have travelled in places Westerners couldn't go after
the Chinese switched from studying Russian to studying English.


"Yeah" - Yeah? That's the best you can enunciate? Oh you break my heart.

:"P

Danny

it was a joke.....notice "heh" after the "it can be confusing" ending
to my post.

It was my joke. My friend/teacher had nothing with it. And I politely
suggest that you don't try to make claims about someone having or not
having sagacity without ever having met them.

Idiot.

You slightly accused me as being dogmatic, but you seem to be the one
that cannot let this post rest until everyone in the free world
believes that you are the person that is 100 percent correct. Just
because you are Chinese, and you've read x number of books about China
doesn't mean we should believe you more than someone else.

I've said it probably 20 times in this tread and elsewhere that "I
don't claim to be an expert on China or Chinese things". I DO believe
that being here and learning from people that were raised in this
countries culture has it's merits.

Judging by your English level (saying that you're 25), you probably
weren't raised on the mainland. Where exactly do you hail from? Are
we getting information from someone that's only read books on the topic?